Evolution or Creationism?

[asherahSamaria]

There is even stronger evidence of Jesus Christ who had a huge impact on the world. How much impact do you think Obama will have two thousand years from now?
The Bible doesn't sanction rape, genocide nor slavery nor even divorce. It clear points out man can't be justified by the law.
The reason gold goes up and down is the determine by the value of the dollar. Again while gold hold it's value yet you can't really profit from it either. Thus when people gain confident in the dollar (to make a profit) they will invest less in gold but when they less confident in the dollar they will invest heavily in gold in order to hold on what they have.

There is even stronger evidence of Jesus Christ who had a huge impact on the world - This is probably straying into general apologetics but I think the vast majority of the Jesus stories were pure fabrications meant to convey moral lessons by a religious elite. I very much doubt there was any such person in any discernible way. This is my view.

"The Bible doesn't sanction rape, genocide nor slavery nor even divorce" - The deity portrayed there seems quite happy to condone all those actions and indeed orders them to occur.

"The reason gold goes up and down is the determine by the value of the dollar" No, the reason the value of gold goes up and down is supply and demand - what are people willing to pay to own or invest in it.

 

[Zosimus]

"The reason gold goes up and down is the determine by the value of the dollar" No, the reason the value of gold goes up and down is supply and demand - what are people willing to pay to own or invest in it.

Don't you mean how many dollars a person is willing to pay to own it?

The price of gold in dollars is a measurement of the relative demand for gold in terms of dollars. A sudden devaluation of dollars would result in a much higher gold price -- that should be obvious to anyone who understands how humans make decisions.

Now gold is not an investment. If you put gold down on a table and watch it for awhile you will see that gold does not change. It doesn't grow into more gold, make a profit, or do anything at all.

So if the price of gold is changing, but gold is not...

 

[dad]

Correction - the supernatural is a fantasy - but you are right - we have to deal with people who think it's real

You are not in a position to overrule God, or the majority of people of all ages. In fact you have no proof for your claim.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are not in a position to overrule God, or the majority of people of all ages. In fact you have no proof for your claim.

You think you are God?

 

[dad]

You think you are God?

I think Jesus is God, and He affirmed Scripture as bang on. We know what God thinks. We also know you have no proof there is no God.

 

[Loudmouth]

I think Jesus is God, and He affirmed Scripture as bang on.

That would be the gospel writers who wrote that. Do you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are God?

 

[dad]

That would be the gospel writers who wrote that. Do you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are God?

You believe they were real?

 

[asherahSamaria]

You are not in a position to overrule God, or the majority of people of all ages. In fact you have no proof for your claim.

Actually you have no proof of your god claim - as have none of all the other god claims either

 

[dad]

Actually you have no proof of your god claim - as have none of all the other god claims either

Yes I do. Jesus was seen risen from the dead. That beats the imaginary first life form and the lack of proof for it.

 

[asherahSamaria]

Don't you mean how many dollars a person is willing to pay to own it?

The price of gold in dollars is a measurement of the relative demand for gold in terms of dollars. A sudden devaluation of dollars would result in a much higher gold price -- that should be obvious to anyone who understands how humans make decisions.

Now gold is not an investment. If you put gold down on a table and watch it for awhile you will see that gold does not change. It doesn't grow into more gold, make a profit, or do anything at all.

So if the price of gold is changing, but gold is not...

Don't you mean how many dollars a person is willing to pay to own it? - not necessarily - I don't use dollars at all.

The price of gold in dollars is a measurement of the relative demand for gold in terms of dollars - hmmm - just relative demand - dollars aren't necessary.

A sudden devaluation of dollars would result in a much higher gold price - The dollar has dropped in value against the pound recently (6% drop from March this year) , gold has also dropped in value recently (6% drop for the same period). From my perspective a devaluation of the dollar coincided with a drop in the value of gold.

Now gold is not an investment. - and yet thousands invest in owning it every day.

If you put gold down on a table and watch it for awhile you will see that gold does not change. It doesn't grow into more gold, make a profit, or do anything at all. - you are quite correct. But selling it at a later date will likely result in you getting a different price for it - so your investment in owning it has resulted in a profit or loss.

 

[asherahSamaria]

Yes I do. Jesus was seen risen from the dead. That beats the imaginary first life form and the lack of proof for it.

That great - I know of a story book, for which there are no original copies and we do know has been edited many times, which tells that story to that effect. Who were the actual authors of that story again - oh that's right no one knows. A pity that.

Unfortunately it's a religious book full of magic things happening which just don't seem to conform to actual reality so it would need a pretty good bit of corroboration to support and differentiate it from all the other similar magical deities and the like of the time. What do you have? Presumably there are loads of contemporary historians writing reams about these physics defying events? It would be great if you could point me to them.

Alas I've read that book and I understand that the stories are most likely pure fabrications - possibly with some actual individual involved in some of them - but the moral allegories seem to have been constructed wholecloth so it's pretty much impossible to disaggregate any individual from them.

Don't get me wrong, some of those moral allegories are fine, great things to teach in fact but some, not so much. Just about what you would expect from people writing in that time and that location.

 

[dad]

That great - I know of a story book, for which there are no original copies and we do know has been edited many times, which tells that story to that effect. Who were the actual authors of that story again - oh that's right no one knows. A pity that.

Jesus affirmed the author is God. Anything but unknown.

Unfortunately it's a religious book full of magic things happening which just don't seem to conform to actual reality so it would need a pretty good bit of corroboration to support and differentiate it from all the other similar magical deities and the like of the time.

What seems like magic to natural minds is just advanced science from God.

What do you have? Presumably there are loads of contemporary historians writing reams about these physics defying events? It would be great if you could point me to them.

Since the spiritual and spirits have been part of Egyptian history, Sumer, and all nations and peoples on earth, how is it that you thought physics should be adhered to??

Alas I've read that book and I understand that the stories are most likely pure fabrications - possibly with some actual individual involved in some of them - but the moral allegories seem to have been constructed wholecloth so it's pretty much impossible to disaggregate any individual from them.

You doubt...not understand.

Don't get me wrong, some of those moral allegories are fine, great things to teach in fact but some, not so much. Just about what you would expect from people writing in that time and that location.

The book covers ALL time, and all locations. Salvation is the message, not moral allegories.

 

[asherahSamaria]

Jesus affirmed the author is God. Anything but unknown.
What seems like magic to natural minds is just advanced science from God.



Since the spiritual and spirits have been part of Egyptian history, Sumer, and all nations and peoples on earth, how is it that you thought physics should be adhered to??
You doubt...not understand.

The book covers ALL time, and all locations. Salvation is the message, not moral allegories.

"Jesus affirmed the author is God. Anything but unknown" - a self affirming text is not really evidence of anything. You haven't given me any reason to believe it to be true.

"What seems like magic to natural minds is just advanced science from God" - just an assertion with a presupposition that the deity exists.

"Since the spiritual and spirits have been part of Egyptian history, Sumer, and all nations and peoples on earth, how is it that you thought physics should be adhered to??" - why try to deflect from the actual inquiry about contemporary references??

"You doubt...not understand" - no I understand.

"The book covers ALL time, and all locations. Salvation is the message, not moral allegories" - Just another assertion with wishful thinking - not anything in the way of evidence or even reason. Again You haven't given me any reason to believe your view is true.

 

[Zosimus]

Don't you mean how many dollars a person is willing to pay to own it? - not necessarily - I don't use dollars at all.

The price of gold in dollars is a measurement of the relative demand for gold in terms of dollars - hmmm - just relative demand - dollars aren't necessary.

A sudden devaluation of dollars would result in a much higher gold price - The dollar has dropped in value against the pound recently (6% drop from March this year) , gold has also dropped in value recently (6% drop for the same period). From my perspective a devaluation of the dollar coincided with a drop in the value of gold.

Now gold is not an investment. - and yet thousands invest in owning it every day.

If you put gold down on a table and watch it for awhile you will see that gold does not change. It doesn't grow into more gold, make a profit, or do anything at all. - you are quite correct. But selling it at a later date will likely result in you getting a different price for it - so your investment in owning it has resulted in a profit or loss.

I don't use dollars either. That doesn't mean that the price of gold isn't quoted in dollars.

If dollars dropped and gold dropped, perhaps what you are failing to see is that the pound sterling appreciated in value.

http://www.usagold.com/cpm/goldhelp.html

"Gold is not an investment." Gold is a safe haven. It's like stuffing cash under your mattress.

 

[asherahSamaria]

I don't use dollars either. That doesn't mean that the price of gold isn't quoted in dollars.

If dollars dropped and gold dropped, perhaps what you are failing to see is that the pound sterling appreciated in value.

http://www.usagold.com/cpm/goldhelp.html

"Gold is not an investment." Gold is a safe haven. It's like stuffing cash under your mattress.

When you highlighted "dollars" in bold - I understood that to be the focus of your point. Just a misunderstanding.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

God didn't die at all - His son did - at least get that right.

 

[dad]

"Jesus affirmed the author is God. Anything but unknown" - a self affirming text is not really evidence of anything. You haven't given me any reason to believe it to be true.

"What seems like magic to natural minds is just advanced science from God" - just an assertion with a presupposition that the deity exists.

"Since the spiritual and spirits have been part of Egyptian history, Sumer, and all nations and peoples on earth, how is it that you thought physics should be adhered to??" - why try to deflect from the actual inquiry about contemporary references??

"You doubt...not understand" - no I understand.

"The book covers ALL time, and all locations. Salvation is the message, not moral allegories" - Just another assertion with wishful thinking - not anything in the way of evidence or even reason. Again You haven't given me any reason to believe your view is true.

How about the life of Christ, wasn't He a great Guy? He healed by some accounts, pretty well all the sick of Palestine area. Multitudes. He fed the hungry, healed the blind raised the dead, had mercy on terrible sinners, forgave sins, gave His Own life to ransom us....etc. I see no reason for blind disbelief based on nothing. Why would people hate Jesus so much they would chose disbelief??

 

[dad]

God didn't die at all - His son did - at least get that right.

That is a great great lie. Jesus was God and became a man temporarily, God in the flesh. That is the heart and soul of the gospel. That is what it is all about.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

That is a great great lie. Jesus was God and became a man temporarily, God in the flesh. That is the heart and soul of the gospel. That is what it is all about.

No its not. That's a false teaching. He sacrificed His son as He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son - to see if one man was willing to do what He was going to have to do. Otherwise He would have asked Abraham to sacrifice himself.

http://biblehub.com/luke/18-19.htm

 

[dad]

No its not. That's a false teaching. He sacrificed His son as He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son - to see if one man was willing to do what He was going to have to do. Otherwise He would have asked Abraham to sacrifice himself.

http://biblehub.com/luke/18-19.htm

If one does not believe Jesus is God one is not a Christian, that I can see.