Evolution of Man in Islam

[Oxy2Hydr0]

The creator told His hosts that He was going to place into the Earth a Khalifah ie successing ruler.

His hosts asked if He was going to place into the Earth one whom will cause mischief and blood shed like its predecessors. The Creator responded : "I know that which you know not"

The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth created the Khalifah from dust and water combined to make mud.

This mud, which was stink and dark, was molded like clay into the desired shape.

The clay substance was then furnaced, or heated until it became hard like clinking clay.

The vessel was then infused with a rooh (spirit) and a nafs (soul) that gave it animated life. The new race of creature was called "ins" ~ human, whos gender was "male" and he was given the name "Aadam" ~ expressing "one of tanned color".

Aadam was given a spouse to be his companion whom was created just like him, whereas her nafs was created from Aadam's nafs.

Aadam was given the knowledge of everything. He was placed into a place called "Jannah" (not here on Earth) for a time to test him. When his test was completed Aadam became aware of his what was hidden ability. The ability of free will to obey or to disobey and choice.

Aadam and his wife was finally brought down to the Earth. They reproduced their offspring through sexual intercourse.

Through this intercourse the Creator took a Nutafah ~ a trickler, that mixes, and placed it into something that rests, and implants in the womb of the female.

He then made it as a thing that clings, then made it into something that looks chewed, and then he formed the bones, and then clothed the bones with muscle an then after a period of time brought it out as another creation of a human.

Dimitri ~ Mujaalid

 

[HeadAsplode]

Where do these ideas come from? Some Islamic book?

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

What’s with the recent slew of Islamic evangelism? Will there ever be a point to these posts? Oxy, we’ve been overexposed to scripture quoting here. If you’re going to post at least give us something to discuss. Simply evangelizing is generally frowned upon. Thanks.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

Where do these ideas come from? Some Islamic book?

Please tell me you’re kidding.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Where do these ideas come from? Some Islamic book?

The Quran.

What’s with the recent slew of Islamic evangelism? Will there ever be a point to these posts? Oxy, we’ve been overexposed to scripture quoting here. If you’re going to post at least give us something to discuss. Simply evangelizing is generally frowned upon. Thanks.

The post was made to expound on and how it relates to science. It was also was posted so others could be aware of the Islamic perspective of the evolution of Man, and where man orginated from.

I am sure people will have questions, and would like to expound on what is posted, maybe try to refute it scientifically, or philisophically.

I have read other posts of many attacking the Christian perspective, now here is the chance for those whom like to use rational thought to challenge.

Dimitri ~ Mujaalid

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

The post was made to expound on and how it relates to science. It was also was posted so others could be aware of the Islamic perspective of the evolution of Man, and where man orginated from.

I am sure people will have questions, and would like to expound on what is posted, maybe try to refute it scientifically, or philisophically.



I have read other posts of many attacking the Christian perspective, now here is the chance for those whom like to use rational thought to challenge.

This is too wide open my friend. And it’s been done to death around here. Nobody is going to tell you your “belief” is wrong. The only time you’re going to find a beef around here is if you say evolution is wrong. Or that you “know” god exists for whatever reason. Simply interpreting your Quar’an for us and blending it with ToE just makes you a Theistic Evolutionist. They are all over the place around here. It’s nothing new.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Simply interpreting your Quar’an for us and blending it with ToE just makes you a Theistic Evolutionist.

I like it already , you gave me an idea

Dimitri ~ Mujaalid

 

[HeadAsplode]

Where in the Quran does it talk about human origins as the one you described?

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Where in the Quran does it talk about human origins as the one you described?

The Divine Plan

And when your Lord said to the Angels, I am going to place in the Earth a Khalifah, they said: Are you placing in it one whom shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate you praise sand extol your holiness? He said: Surely I know what you do not know. Quran 2:30

The Origin of Man

He (Allah) is who magnificently created everything and he began the creation of Man (male and female) from dust Quran 32:7

And Allah has created every creature from water: some walk upon their belly, and of them is that which walks upon two feet, and of them is that which walks upon four; Allah creates what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things Quran 24:45

And certainly We created man from clinking clay of dark stinking mud fashioned in shape. Quran 15:26

Then He made him (Aadam) complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks. Quran 32:9

O Mankind ! Fear your Lord who created you all from a single soul and He created from it its companion and produced from those two many men and women..... Quran 4:1

From Jannah to Earth

And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell Me the names of these if ye are right."


They said: "Glory to Thee: of knowledge we have none, save what Thou hast taught us: in truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
They said: "Glory to Thee: of knowledge we have none, save what Thou hast taught us: in truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."



He said: "O Adam! Tell them their names." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heavens and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"



And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam:" and they bowed down: not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: he was of those who reject Faith

We said: "O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."


Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling place and your means of livelihood for a time."


Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

We said: "Get ye down all from here: and if, as is sure, there comes to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.


"But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be Companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein." Quran 2:31-39

Reproduction of Man

and indeed We have already ceated man (male and female) from an extraction of clay, and then We placed it as a trickler into a thing that rests and implants; and then We made the trickler as a thing that clings, and then we made the thing that clings as a thing that is chewed, then made the chewed thing as bones and then We clothed the bones with meat (muscle), and then it comes out as another creation; So blessed be Allah the best of creators, then after that you will die Quran 23:12-15

Dimitri ~ Mujaalid

 

[HeadAsplode]

Thank you, Oxy.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

You are welcome

 

[Dracil]

So Creationists, would you be happy with this version being taught in classrooms under "equal time"?

 

[Osiris]

I don't really see how this story fits in with evolution.

And Allah has created every creature from water: some walk upon their belly, and of them is that which walks upon two feet, and of them is that which walks upon four; Allah creates what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things Quran 24:45

I'm pretty sure that the ancestor to which all organism relate back to didn't walk upon their belly, or on two feet, or on four feet.

He (Allah) is who magnificently created everything and he began the creation of Man (male and female) from dust Quran 32:7

Then He made him (Aadam) complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks. Quran 32:9

This reeks creationism.

I am pretty sure that in evolution, there is really no such thing as a "first" human.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

So Creationists, would you be happy with this version being taught in classrooms under "equal time"?

When they start to look at the other hand that man's first habitation was not on Earth, then the atheist evolution theory will be on the rebound.

I don't really see how this story fits in with evolution.

Did you forget the name of this Topic. "Evolution of Man in Islam". Its an Islamic perspective on the evolution of man.

The problem you maybe having is your concept of evolution is probably confined to you own apparatus rather than dwelling on the actual definition of the word that does not set a limitation of rule.

I'm pretty sure that the ancestor to which all organism relate back to didn't walk upon their belly, or on two feet, or on four feet.

The verse you are speaking of does not imply all creatures but some, whereas a listed reference was demonstrated that we can relate to are made.

This reeks creationism.

I am pretty sure that in evolution, there is really no such thing as a "first" human.

Evolution by its diction dictates no such thing. Evolution calculates that creation has a beigining. Laws of reality demonstrates everything has a pair or must have a pair within it self in order to reproduce.

There must be one before their is two etc etc. You cannot define evolution while contradicting physics which is closer to facts and more of a reality than evolution.

 

[Green Man]

The post was made to expound on and how it relates to science.

The Qur'an,like the Bible does not relate to science in any way.

 

[Bushido216]

Evolution by its diction dictates no such thing. Evolution calculates that creation has a beigining. Laws of reality demonstrates everything has a pair or must have a pair within it self in order to reproduce.

There must be one before their is two etc etc. You cannot define evolution while contradicting physics which is closer to facts and more of a reality than evolution.

You can't go invoking laws of physics (which I don't even think exist) that explain other phenomena and apply them to biotic processes. That ship don't sail, mate. Populations (not individuals!) evolve. The next generation may have slight genetic changes, but they are still wholly compatible with their forebears and with each other. At generation 100, though, you'll notice that they wouldn't be able to intermingle with generation 1 (pretending they had lived long enough) because too many differences had by then accumulated, but 100 could still reproduce with 2 onward.

As an example, you have 1000 generations of a species. Each generation can only reproduce with generation +/- 50. So, generation 100 can reproduce within 50-150, and that's it.

What you'd end up with is generation 1 being slightly different from 2, a little more different than 3, and so on, as these little allelle frequency changes accumulate. Hope that helped.

 

[Green Man]

Evolution by its diction dictates no such thing. Evolution calculates that creation has a beigining.

Where did you get that idea?Evolution never says a single word that could possibly be construed as creation.

 

[Osiris]

Did you forget the name of this Topic. "Evolution of Man in Islam". Its an Islamic perspective on the evolution of man.

Well, first of all, there is something already called, "Evolution of Man" categorized in Evolution, this is what I thought you were talking about... and I thought "Evolution of Man" in Islam was how Muslims would claim that their Quran was scientific and already had stuff about Evolution before everyone else did.

The problem you maybe having is your concept of evolution is probably confined to you own apparatus rather than dwelling on the actual definition of the word that does not set a limitation of rule.

My mistake...

The verse you are speaking of does not imply all creatures but some, whereas a listed reference was demonstrated that we can relate to are made.

But then, this is really not scientific, because the way that I read it, when god created all living creatures all these creatures with four legs, some with two, some that walked on their bellies where there... if creation took place, and if it did, after creation all there would be would be some type of bacteria or something of the sort.

Evolution by its diction dictates no such thing. Evolution calculates that creation has a beigining.

Evolution has nothing to do with creation.
Evolution does not calculate that life had a beginning, evolution assumes that life is already here, it doesn't try to explain how it came here.

So you are talking about Creationism, not Evolution, you are just mixed up with the words.

Laws of reality demonstrates everything has a pair or must have a pair within it self in order to reproduce.

Laws of reality? What are you talking about?
Perhaps these "Laws of Reality" of yours haven't heard of "Asexual Reproduction"?

There must be one before their is two etc etc. You cannot define evolution while contradicting physics which is closer to facts and more of a reality than evolution.

What physics? Your "Laws of Reality"?
Creationism is not scientific, and there are no 'facts' concerning creationism.
Evolution on the other hand does have facts, these facts I thought that you were backing your beliefs, but apparently I thought wrong.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Sorry forgot about this thread, was occupied on another.

Evolution has nothing to do with creation.
Evolution does not calculate that life had a beginning, evolution assumes that life is already here, it doesn't try to explain how it came here.

I guess I am going to have to hit two birds with one stone here.

Evolution demonstrates a process of a thing from A-Z to which occured changes to achieve a certain stage of its existence. When something is changed from one thing to something else different which aquires EVOLVEMENT it envolves creation as it is being made, formed, created.

From a sperm cell and and ovum comes a fetus + embryo + Baby + child + teenager + adult + senior + death + (?) + (?). The creature has underwent both evolution and creation.

Calculation on this matter 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+9=(What is now)"1+2+3.." etc are stages of development. As numbers technically have no end nor begining when we look at it as

-9+-8+-7+-6+-5+-4+-3+-2+-1+0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+9=(What is now)

If you want to take life as it is now back to a cell ie bacteria then you must go beyond the cell, as the cell is only a building block for creation, and the cell it self is of building blocks etc etc etc.

Evolutionist, tend to look at the picture narrowly whereas there is a broader aspect that is very intricate and complex to precieve when looked at one dementionally.

human reproduction or the reproduction of all creatures is an accelerated evolvment/creation

the design structure of this accelerted evolvment/creation changes at the oposite speed of reproduction.

Laws of reality? What are you talking about?
Perhaps these "Laws of Reality" of yours haven't heard of "Asexual Reproduction"?

You are not paying attention to what we wrote:

Laws of reality demonstrates everything has a pair or must have a pair within it self in order to reproduce.

"Must have a pair within it self" ie asexual.