Evolution is the Great Apostasy

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

The work of an intellectual is not to mould the political will of others; it is, through the analyses that he does in his own field, to re-examine evidence and assumptions, to shake up habitual ways of working and thinking, to dissipate conventional familiarities, to re-evaluate rules and institutions and to participate in the formation of a political will (where he has his role as citizen to play). My point is that, in wishing to find to find some concrete confirmation in following tracks around tree root systems preserved in coal deposits, we do tend to overlook the major features that historical evidence would indicate, as having truly brought on each new geological age. There is then, the clear pospect of there being a slight shift in the overall periodic table of the elements, so extensive or so complete that it even brings with it, a change or changes in the overall electromagnetic spectrum, which is so striking it was in fact known as or termed "a plague of darkness" during early Blibical times. That point, backed by the reality of historical records, fully explains how the entire matrix of living matter and non living matter, of one age, comes to be reorganized, redesigned, and in general pressed into another form or forms, in the age that emerges next. Historic records also do quite well, in proving that it had even happened before. 17 "And they were striken with los of sight too, like those others, at the upright man's door, (Lot's door.) when, surrounded with a yawning darknes, each one sough te way through his own doors. 18 FOR THE ELEMENTS CHANGED IN ORDER WITH ONE ANOHTER, JUST AS ON A HARP THE NOTES VARY THE CHARACTER OF THE TIME, YET KEEP THE PITCH, AS ONE MAY ACCURATELY INFER FROM THE OBSERVATION OF WHAT HAPPENED. 18 For the elements were changed in themselves by a kind of harmony, like as in a psaltery notes change the name of the tune, and yet are always sounds; which may well be perceived by the sight of the things that have been done. 19 For earthly things were turned into watery, and the things, that before swam in the water, now went upon the ground. 20 The fire had power in the water, forgetting his own virtue: and the water forgat his own quenching nature." (The Book of Wisdom, Chapter 19:17-20) What all this means, in terms of the dinosaur tracks and egg nests, is that in most cases we can only find the most fragmentary evidences, of beasts of truly enormorous portions, and all evidence of them has been all but totally extinguished when the historically attested to events such as those above, took place! Clearly such issues, fail drastly in terms of addressing the real issues noted above. Moreover, it is only an assumption that the grand canyon was "carved slowly by a small river..." over thousands of years of time - just as surely as you can go and do a search right now under "melting faster than thought," and readily read about the rapidly melting polar ice caps of this very planet.
And if you want physical proof of what I am saying, let me direct you in this manner. Just get hold of a good National Geographic Atlas of the World, which has a series of underwater maps in the back. Open it up and take a good look just to the west of Greenland, and you'll be able to see the exact outline, showing percisely where Greenland was one located on the Artic Ocean Floor! It's also very easy to see that at one point, not only the tip but the whole continent of Greenland rose up on end. When it started, it was in an eight o'clock position, and yet, rotating to the east as it came crashing down, it endid up in a four o'clock position as we yet find it today. The point is that all this happened - and I find it to be either evidence of that time when the mantle did significantly expand - or it must be something on the order of God's own little tiddley-wink. I do appreciate your comments and analysis. However, the total submersion of France, repeatedly, vast bone deposits, and other factors of this nature do tend to confirm in my mind, that the stated years of the geological time scale are vastly untrue. I frankly believe they were only produced or set up in that manner, in the first place, so as to discredit and otherwise beat down every religion and every historic record, ever known to man. Hence, the title: The Food, and The Apostacy Evolution Began.

 

[michabo]

I don't know where to begin. I'm not convinced you've thought through the consequences of anything you've told us. Check out http://www.christianforums.com/t94602 and http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/gallery/goose002.htm and explain how a flood could cause that. How can a flood enough to bury the earth scrape off some bones but not all of the topsoil? Why would the flood carve one isolated canyon in pretty loops but leave the surrounding dirt untouched? Why would a flood nicely sort the bones not by density, or size, but in such a way as to simulate great age? Why would pollen from one species of plant always appear below pollen from another species? What caused the iridium layer?

As for continents being tossed around like "God's own little tiddley-wink", there would be some serious warping if this were the case. Where's the evidence?

I don't think you've thought this one through.

 

[Jet Black]

you are aware that fiddling with the elements would have quite the impact, right? w would also see evidence of that impact (we don't)

 

[notto]

My point is that, in wishing to find to find some concrete confirmation in following tracks around tree root systems preserved in coal deposits, we do tend to overlook the major features that historical evidence would indicate, as having truly brought on each new geological age.

But you are overlooking the fact that the tracks and trees are there. Your ideas do not explain this evidence and certainly don't explain this evidence (and the other evidence that is present) better than current mainstream theories. Your ideas must expain ALL of the evidence. You cannot handwave it away. We find dinosaur footprints, tree root systems and other evidence in coal that show that the material was not transported there. The material grew where we found it and it grew on top of other sedimentary deposits, and was covered (after animals and plant grew in it) by more sedimentary deposits. This falsifies your ideas and the idea that a flood is responsible for the deposits.

You cannot simply handwave this evidence away. You must explain it within your model. You have failed to do so.

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

The Opening and Shutting of The Abysses,
Is the Great Hinge Upon Which Nature Turns In This Earth
By Bruce D. McKay, Elijah

Please don't think that I haven't thought this through! If you believe in evolution, you need to take an even closer look at this! Some tell me that dinosaur egg nests preserved in coal, and tracks around trees proved evolution! Others insist, they know about the pollen from the newer plants being found layer by layer under the younger plants! I do hope this will help you see the real point of the matter. I say, none of the supposed evidences of evolution, is actually seeing a right understanding. Seeing the right understand only begins, in this case, when one starts to realize that, "Hey! The great Abysses of this earth is actually the earth’s core, or the mantle of the earth!” And as soon as you also confirm the reality of the mantle being composed of compressed mater, largely in the form of highly compressed oxygen, hydrogen, silica, and carbon atoms, then everything about the ancient Ante-diluvian Earth (i.e., the earth before the flood) and the Deluge begins to rapidly fall into place, and it all makes great sense! Moreover, in so many words, what this all means is that when new matter is released . . . a whole new faces emerges on both the lifeless, geological world – and at the same time both the plant and the animal kingdoms change! Hence, it is not evolution that changes the species! In other words, it is the release of a great volume of new matter from within the mantle that changes the species – and it causes both a NEW plant kingdom along with NEW animal kingdom to emerge! Hence, “the Opening and the Shutting of the Abysse, Is the Great Hinge Upon Which Nature Turns In This Earth!”
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That is what has precisely caused the loss of whole genera of pants, and the emergence of new ones – and the exact same thing is true for the various changes we find among the assorted members of the animal kingdom. When there is a great deal of new matter released from within the earth’s mantle, it in turn causes a series of slight changes throughout the whole of the whole body of the elements. The critical mass reaches a point where it causes a shift in the general nature of the molecular bonding points of those atoms, now known as the Periodic Table of the Elements. All this is quite true, but according to the evolutionists and their supposedly accurate “geological time frame,” this earth is not young! They claim it to supposedly stretch back millions upon millions of years in time. All the changes, as fully explained above, they claim as having required many millions of years of time, as if nothing cataclysmic ever happened! Nevertheless, the fact that such events did happen so as to bring destruction on entire cities such as Sodom and Gomorra, often note or tell that such an event has casts a great part of the world, or the whole world into darkness, for a period of time. Now, that kind of thing is highly important, because it does immediately disprove every argument that has ever been made to give any support to the time scale of the evolutionists. And at the same time, all this means is what the evolutionists have been teaching all along – is the exact opposite of that found in the Bible, since it says the whole of the Ante-diluvia Earth or the earth before the flood or the Deluge was plunged into darkness. Getting back to our seeing the right understanding the historic records that report on various periods of vast darkness, in effect, specifically prove that there are times when even visible light and the whole of the “electromagnetic spectrum” end up being altered to some degree, and they are otherwise reorganized, for a short span of time. Moreover, the general effect of it was well known during Biblical times as “a plague of darkness.”
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I will always remember the remarkable effect all this had, the very first time I explained this last point, (i.e., what caused the plague of darkness as is noted in the Bible,) to the Head of the Science Department at one of our finest, Florida universities. “Why!” he responded, “do you for one moment realize what you are saying(!) and what that would mean to just about everything that Einstein every taught! And what it will mean to almost all the sciences, and almost every single thing that anyone has ever figured out about the whole world of physics!”
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I also remember my brief reply. It was,” Sure I do. It means they’ve got it all wrong, and the Bible is in fact, 100% right.” With that he jumped to his feet as he began telling me “Don’t say one other word!” And at that, h is office door flew open and he began to wave his arm, hailing me to leave and out the door I went! I had made a terrible mistake! Since he was the head of the all the deacons, were I attended church at the time, I was thinking “surely, this guy is going to be quite willing to hear me out. He’ll understand what I am saying, and then he’ll want to discuss this whole issue with me!” I couldn’t have been more wrong in my appraisal, for instead, what I told him rocked him to the very core! And then he was forced to make a very important decision, (just as is possibly happening to you.) And he totally followed through on it the very next day! He got up that morning, went straight to the Church, promptly quit or resigned from his position as Head of the Deacons - and then he took his dear wife by the hand, after she had headed up the church offices at the exact same church for a number of years, and they both left the church!
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Now, I took that as a sign that neither one of them was ever much of a real Christian. But you should have heard my wife hollering at me when she made it home that same day. She had heard the news, and all she would say is, “What did you says to Dr. _________! What did you say to Dr. _________!”
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To be quite frank, in that it was evident that she would never understand, there wasn’t much I could even say to her, in reply. I finally explained, in a way, that I had showed pointed out a few verses in the Bible to him, and I had showed him how they were true, but he didn’t want to believe they were true! In a like manner, there are many who think, or assume, that the geological time scale is true, evolution is true, and things like the flooding of the entire world never happened! But just look at what all this means in regard to the details written about by Thomas Burnet, in Chapter 7 of his book, The Sacred Theory of the Earth. As soon as we begin to realize that “The great Abysse” of this earth is actually the earth’s core, or the “mantle of the earth,” everything begins to make perfect sense. And as soon as we begin to view what Burnet wrote in terms of the reality of the core or mantle being composed of compressed mater, largely in the form of highly compressed oxygen, hydrogen, silica, and carbon atoms, then the entire system of evolution and all of evolutionary dating immediately breaks down and it all, literally falls apart. Note: the following is taken from The Sacred Theory of the Earth by Thomas Burnet (1635-1715), royal chaplain to king William III of England. In chapter seven. For he wrote . . .

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

“And to proceed now from Moses to other Divine writers; (to prove) That our Description is a reality, both as to the Ante-diluvian Earth, and as to the Deluge, we may further be convinc'd from St. Peter's discourse concerning those two things. St. Peter saith, that the constitution of the Ante-diluvian Earth was such, in reference to the Waters, that by reason of that it was obnoxious to a Deluge; we say these Waters were the great Abysse it stood upon, by reason whereof that World was really expos'd to a Deluge, and overwhelm'd in it upon the disruption of this Abysse, as Moses witnesses. 'Tis true, St. Peter doth not specifie what those waters were, nor mention either the Sea, or the Abysse; but seeing Moses tells us, that it was by the waters of the Abysse that the Earth was overwhelm'd, St. Peter's waters must be understood of the same Abysse, because he supposeth them the cause of the same Deluge. And, I think, the Apostle's discourse there cannot receive a better illustration, than from Moses's History of the Deluge. Moses distinguishes the causes of the Flood into those that belong to the Heavens, and those that belong to the Earth; the Rains and the Abysse: St. Peter also distinguisheth the causes of the Deluge into the constitution of the Heavens, in reference to its waters; and the constitution of the Earth, in reference to its waters; and no doubt they both aim at the same causes, as they refer to the same effect; only Moses mentions the immediate causes, the Rains and the Waters of the Abysse; and St. Peter mentions the more remote and fundamental causes, that constitution of the Heavens, and that constitution of the Earth, in reference to their respective waters, which made that world obnoxious to a Deluge: And these two speaking of Noah's Deluge, and agreeing thus with one another, and both with us, or with the Theory which we have given of a General Deluge, we may safely conclude, that it is no imaginary Idea, but a true account of that Ancient Flood, whereof Moses hath left us the History.
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And seeing the right understanding of the Mosaical Abysse is sufficient alone to prove all we have deliver'd concerning the Deluge, as also concerning the frame of the Ante-diluvian Earth, give me leave to take notice here of some other places of Scripture that seem manifestly to describe this same form of the Abysse with the Earth above it, Psal. 24. 2. He founded the Earth upon the Seas, and establish'd it upon the Floods; and Psal. 136. 6. He stretched out the Earth above the Waters. Now this Foundation of the Earth upon the Waters, or extension of it above the Waters, doth most aptly agree to that structure and situation of the Abysse (i.e., the release of vast quantities of tightly compressed atoms from within the mantle of the earth) and the Ante-diluvian Earth, which we have assign'd them, and which we have before describ'd; but very improperly and forc'dly to the present form of the Earth and the Waters. In that second place of the Psalmist, the word may be render'd either, he stretch'd, as we read it, or hefixt and consolidated the Earth above the Waters, as the Vulgate and Septuagint translate it: For 'tis from the same word with that which is used for the Firmament, Gen. I. So that as the Firmament was extended over and around the Earth, so was the Earth extended over and about the Waters, in that first constitution of things; and I remember some of the Ancients use this very comparison of the Firmament and Earth, to express the situation of the Paradisiacal Earth in reference to the Sea or Abysse.
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There is another remarkable place in the Psalms, to shew the disposition of the Waters in the first Earth; Psal. 33. 7. He gathereth the Waters of the Sea as in a Bag, he layeth up the Abysses in storehouses. This answers very fitly and naturally to the place and disposition of the Abysse which it had before the Deluge, inclos'd within the vault of the Earth, as in a Bag or in a Storehouse. I know very well what I render here in a Bag, is render'd in the English, as an heap; but that translation of the word seems to be grounded on the old Error, that the Sea is higher than the Land, and so doth not make a true sence. Neither are the two parts of the Verse so well suited and consequent one to another, if the first express an high situation of the Waters, and the second a low one. And accordingly the Vulgate, Septuagint, and Oriental Versions and Paraphrase, as also Symmachus, St. Jerome, and Basil, render it as we do here, in a Bag, or by terms equivalent.
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To these passages of the Psalmist, concerning the form of the Abysse and the first Earth, give me leave to add this general remark, that they are commonly ushered in, or followed, with something of Admiration in the Prophet. We observ'd before, that the formation of the first Earth, after such a wonderful manner, being a piece of Divine Architecture, when it was spoken of in Scripture, it was usually ascrib'd to a particular Providence, and accordingly we see in these places now mention'd, that it is still made the object of praise and admiration: In that 136 Psalm 'tis reckon'd among the wonders of God, Vers. 4, 5, 6. Give praise to him who alone doth great wonders,. To him that by wisdom made the Heavens: To him that stretched out the Earth above the Waters. And in like manner, in that 33 Psalm, 'tis joyn'd with the forming of the Heavens, and made the subject of the Divine Power and Wisdom: Vers. 6, 7, 8, 9. By the word of the Lord were the Heavens made, and all the Host of them by the breath of his mouth,. He gathereth the Waters of the Sea together, as in a Bag, he layeth up the Abysse in Storehouses. Let all the Earth fear the Lord,. Let all the Inhabitants of the World stand in awe of him,. For he spake, and it was,. he commanded, and it stood fast. Namely, all things stood in that wonderful posture in which the Word of his Power and Wisdom had established them. David often made the works of Nature, and the External World, the matter of his Meditations, and of his praises and Philosophical Devotions; reflecting sometimes upon the present form of the World, and sometimes upon the primitive form of it: And though Poetical expressions, as the Psalms are, seldom are so determinate and distinct, but that they may be interpreted more than one way, yet, I think, it cannot but be acknowledged, that those expressions and passages that we have instanced in, are more fairly and aptly understood of the Ancient form of the Sea, or the Abysse, as it was enclos'd within the Earth, than of the present form of it (i.e., it = those waters, which is as) in an open Chanel.
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Thus far the questions proceed upon the form and construction of the first Earth; in the following verses (8,9, 10, 11.) they proceed upon the demolition of that Earth, the opening the Abysse, (i.e., the release of vast quantities of otherwise compressed matter from within the earth’s mantle,) and the present state of both. Or who shut up the Sea with doors when it brake forth, as if it had issu'd out of a womb? Who can doubt but this was at the breaking open of the Fountains of the Abysse, Gen. 7. II. when the waters gusht out, as out of the great womb of Nature; and by reason of that confusion and perturbation of Air and Water that rise upon it, a thick mist and darkness was round the Earth, and all things as in a second Chaos.
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When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swadling band for it, and brake up for it my decreed place, and made bars and doors, Namely, (taking the words as thus usually rendered) the present Chanel of the Sea (i.e., the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean, etc.) was made when the Abysse was broke up, and at the same time were made the shory Rocks and Mountains (also lifted up by the forces of the expanding mantle,) which are the bars and boundaries of the Sea, And said hitherto shalt thou come and no further , and here shall thy proud waves be stay'd. Which last sentence shows, that this cannot be understood of the first disposition of the waters as they were before the Flood, for their proud waves broke those bounds, whatsoever they were, when they overflow'd the Earth in the Deluge. And that the womb which they broke out of was the great Abysse, The Chaldee Paraphrase in this place doth expressly mention; and what can be understood by the womb of the Earth, but that Subterraneous capacity in which the Abysse lay? Then that which followeth, is a description or representation of the great Deluge that ensu'd, and of that disorder in Nature, that was then, and how the Waters were (after all that) settled and Bounded afterwards, Not unlike the description in the 104 Psalm, vers, 6, 7, 8, 9. and thus much for these places in the book of Job.
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There remains a remarkable discourse in the Proverbs of Solomon, (i.e., The book known as The Wisdom of Solomon, since then noted as part of the Apocrypha,) relating to the Mosaical Abysse, and not only to that, but to the Origin of the Earth in general ; where Wisdom declares her antiquity and pre-existence to all the works of this Earth, Chap, 8, vers. 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, ere the Earth was. When there were no Deeps or Abysses, I was brought forth,. when no fountains aboundt'ng with water. Then in the 27. verse, When he prepared the Heavens, I was there,. when he set a Compass upon the face of the Deep or Abysse. When he established the Clouds above, when he strengthned the fountains of the Abysse. Here is mention made of the Abysse, and of the Fountains of the Abysse, and who can question, but that the Fountains of the Abysse here, are the same with the fountains of the Abysse which Moses mentions, and were broken open, as he tells us, at the Deluge. Let us observe therefore what form Wisdom gives to this Abysse, and consequently to the Mosaical: And here seem to be two expressions that determine the form of it, verse 28, He strengthned the fountains of the Abysse, that is, the cover of those Fountains, for the Fountains could be strengthned no other way than by making a strong cover or Arch over them. And that Arch is expressed more fully and distinctly in the foregoing verse, When he prepar'd the Heavens, I was there,' when he set a Compass on the face of the Abysse; we render it Compass, the word signifies a Circle or Circumference, or an Orb or Sphere, So there was in the beginning of the World a Sphere, (or an) Orb or (an) Arch set round the Abysse, according to the testimony of Wisdom, who was then present. And this shews us both the form of the Mosaical Abysse, which was included within this Vault: and the form of the habitable Earth, which was the outward surface of this Vault, or the cover of the Abysse that was broke up at the Deluge.

And thus much, I think, is sufficient to have noted out of Scripture, concerning the Mosaical Abysse, to discover the form, place, and situation of it; which I have done the more largely, because that being determin'd, it will draw in easily all the rest of our Theory concerning the Deluge. I will now only add one or two general Observations, and so to conclude this discourse; The first Observation is concerning the Abysse; Namely, that the opening and shutting of the Abysse, is the great hinge upon which Nature turns in this Earth : This brings another face of things, (and) other Scenes and a new World upon the stage: And accordingly it is a thing often mention'd and alluded to in Scripture, sometimes in a Natural, sometimes in a Moral or Theological sence; and in both sences, our Saviour (Jesus) shuts and opens as he pleaseth. Our Saviour, who is both Lord of Nature and of Grace, whose Dominion is both in Heaven and in Earth, hath a double Key; that of the Abysse, whereby Death and Hell are in his power, and all the revolutions of Job, II. 10, 12. (The very forces of) Nature are under his Conduct and Providence; And the Key of David, whereby he admits or excludes from the City of God and the Kingdom of Heaven whom he pleaseth. Of those places that refer to the shutting and opening the Abysse in a natural sence, I cannot but particularly take notice of that in Job. Chap. 12, vers. 14, 15. God breaketh down, and it cannot be built again: he shutteth up man, & Chap, II. 10. and there can be no opening: Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up, also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the Earth, Though these things be true of God in lesser and common instances, yet to me it is plain, that they principally refer to the Deluge, the opening and shutting the Abysse, (and so He deals) with the dissolution or subversion of the Earth thereupon; and accordingly they are made the great effects of the Divine Power and Wisdom in the foregoing Verse, With God is wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding; Behold, he breaketh down, &c. And also in the conclusion 'tis repeated again, With him is strength and wisdom; which solemnity would scarce have been us'd for common instances of his power, When God is said to build or pull down, and no body can build again, 'tis not to be understood of an House or a Town, God builds and unbuilds Worlds; and who shall build up that Arch that was broke down at the Deluge? Where shall they lay the Foundation, or how shall the Mountains be rear'd up again to make part of the Roof? This is the fabrick, which when God breaketh down, none can build up again. He withholdeth the waters and they dry up: As we shew'd the Earth to have been immoderately chapt and parcht before its dissolution. He sendeth them forth and they overturn the Earth. What can more properly express the breaking out of the waters at the disruption of the Abysse ? and the subversion or dissolution of the Earth in consequence of it ? 'Tis true this last passage may be applied to the breaking out of waters in an ordinary Earthquake, and the subversion of some part of the Earth, which often follows upon it; but it must be acknowledg'd, that the sense is more weighty, if it be referred to the great Deluge, and the great Earthquake which laid the World in ruins and in water. And Philosophical descriptions in Sacred writings, like Prophecies, have often a lesser and a greater accomplishment and interpretation.
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2 Esdras 7:25-29

“For behold the time will come, and it will be when the signs come which I have fortold to you, the city that appears as a bride, will appear, and the land which is now hidden will be seen. And whoever is delivered from the evils I have predicted will see my wonders. For my son the Christ will be revealed with those who are with him . . . “ (II Esdras 7:26-28 Goodspeed Edition)
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Elijah

 

[Jet Black]

duder, do you know anything about physics and chemistry?

 

[USincognito]

duder, do you know anything about physics and chemistry?

You're actually reading his stuff with sufficient interest to figure out where his errors are? You have more of a stomach for that stuff than I do.

 

[Freodin]

I have to admit that I did not read all of the nice blue posts - DO SOME FORMATTING PLEASE!

But it is interesting that the theory of such a cataclysmic change not only in Geology, but the fundamentals of Physics and Chemistry do not conform with the Biblical record either.

So even if you could find evidence for these strange theories - they would contradict the Biblical accounts.

 

[notto]

Some tell me that dinosaur egg nests preserved in coal, and tracks around trees proved evolution! Others insist, they know about the pollen from the newer plants being found layer by layer under the younger plants!

What has been sugggested is that your model fails to explain the physical evidence we find in the earth and certainly doesn't explain it better than current mainstream geology models. You have said very little about evolution yet. You are trying to pass off an already falsified model of geology. Until you can explain the evidence in your model and provide a mechanism for the preservation and creation of trace fossils like those that have been pointed out to you, your model is worthless.

Handwaving will not make the evidence go away.

 

[Jet Black]

You're actually reading his stuff with sufficient interest to figure out where his errors are? You have more of a stomach for that stuff than I do.

heck no! I just look for salient words and scan around them. If the core of his argument is wrong, what is the point looking at the periphery?

 

[michabo]

Others insist, they know about the pollen from the newer plants being found layer by layer under the younger plants!

Remind me again how your idea can explain this?

Also, there are many species in the fossil record which no longer exist. Some because they evolved into other species, others because of one of many world-wide extinction events. There would have to be many floods to account for this, but of course the flood would leave different traces. Can you explain how your idea explains the many extinction events?

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

It was like this, all underwater! Then - the Atlantic Ocean opened up!

 

[Jet Black]

you should tell us which geological site you got that from really. and where all the energy went, and what happened to the laws of physics. Bible quotes are no good here, you need evidence and so on to back you up.

 

[notto]

It was like this, all underwater! Then - the Atlantic Ocean opened up!

You graphic clearly shows this happening over a period of millions of years and doesn't show it all under water.

The graphic you presented is based on mainstream geologic evidence including the dating of the ocean floor. You model does not represent what we see in the graphic and cannot account for the data used to create the graphic you present such as the dating of the rocks, the magnetic changes we see in the rocks used to measure the ocean floor movements, etc.

Can you present any data that supports this graphic that is tied to your ideas?

This graphic and the data used to create it FALSIFY your ideas instead of supporting them.

Again, you are handwaving, providing selective evidence (without dealing with the consequences of the evidence) and unsupported assertations to present your idea. What physical evidence can you provide that supports your ideas? You have yet to provide any.

I could easily say the earth used to be made of green cheese and elaborate on that notion over and over, handwaving away the evidence to the contrary. Does that make my assertion correct? Your idea is as baseless as my green cheese model.

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

The area where Greenland once was, is clearly imprinted on the Artic Ocean floor..

When the whole mantle of the earth rapidly expanded, and the EVIDENCES PROVE that the entire continent of Greenland, 1200 miles long, obviously popped up on one end! Then it slid back a few hundred miles.​

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Then it plopped back down to the position where we find it today. Now - was this event another of the so-called slow and tedious processes of Evolution? Or can such an overall contention as evolution, actually be true in the light of these facts! I think not. It cannot be true! The existence of the Greenland Basin and the present location of Greenland proves (i.e., it is stark evidence of the fact) that the mantle of the earth has expanded very rapidly, so rapidly in fact - that it actually lifted the entire continent of Greenland up on one end!
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Go to any modern National Geographic Atlas showing the Greenland and the floor of the Atric Ocean, and you can see THESE PROOFS for yourself!

Elijah

 

[notto]

The area where Greenland once was, is clearly imprinted on the Artic Ocean floor.
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When the whole mantle of the earth rapidly expanded, and the EVIDENCES PROVE that the entire continent of Greenland, 1200 miles long, obviously popped up on one end! Then it slid back a few hundred miles.
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Then it plopped back down to the position where we find it today. Now - was this event another of the so-called slow and tedious processes of Evolution? Or can such an overall contention as evolution, actually be true in the light of these facts! I think not. It cannot be true! The existence of the Greenland Basin and the present location of Greenland proves (i.e., it is stark evidence of the fact) that the mantle of the earth has expanded very rapidly, so rapidly in fact - that it actually lifted the entire continent of Greenland up on one end!
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Go to any modern National Geographic Atlas showing the Greenland and the floor of the Atric Ocean, and you can see THESE PROOFS for yourself!

Elijah

LOL! Have you heard of Occam's razor? Can you explain how a continent can be popped up on one end? What was underneath it? What did it separate from? How thick was it? What forces lifted it? What DATA and EVIDENCE other than looking at something on an ocean floor map that can easily be explained with mainstream models leads you to your fascinatingly absurd conclusion that greenland was lifted up on one end? Can you give us a lattitude and longitude as to what we are suppose to look at?

Why can't the position of Greenland be explained by plate techtonics? Look at your animation. Its all there over millions of years.

 

[PhantomLlama]

I don't think he's listening.

 

[ForeRunner]

The area where Greenland once was, is clearly imprinted on the Artic Ocean floor.
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When the whole mantle of the earth rapidly expanded, and the EVIDENCES PROVE that the entire continent of Greenland, 1200 miles long, obviously popped up on one end! Then it slid back a few hundred miles.
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Then it plopped back down to the position where we find it today. Now - was this event another of the so-called slow and tedious processes of Evolution? Or can such an overall contention as evolution, actually be true in the light of these facts! I think not. It cannot be true! The existence of the Greenland Basin and the present location of Greenland proves (i.e., it is stark evidence of the fact) that the mantle of the earth has expanded very rapidly, so rapidly in fact - that it actually lifted the entire continent of Greenland up on one end!
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Go to any modern National Geographic Atlas showing the Greenland and the floor of the Atric Ocean, and you can see THESE PROOFS for yourself!

Elijah

You do realize that the continents are basically large mountains. There is nothing under a continent but magma. There is nothing to leave an impression in. That has to be among the stupiest things I have ever heard.

 

[rudenski]

Name calling hides fear.... scientists have had their theories shot down over and over.... What seems to me to be obvious is the lack of you critics to even consider the posibility that evolution may be wrong..... If it is wrong then it might be a good idea to see something new.