Bruce D McKay said:
Secondly, the issue about the ice caps melting - shows how INVENTIVE the whole camp of evolutionists have been. There is a philosophy prejudicial to relgion, that sets up the wisdom of man in competition with the wisdom of God.
Elijah,
WHO CREATED? Who put all the evidence in the physical universe that science studies? Now, who makes the interpretations of the Bible?
What we have is the evidence God placed in His Creation vs the "wisdom" of some men in insisting on a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-3. I'll choose God, thank you.
That is, the system of logic behind evolution was drafted to pre-date every religious text, and so the major points in logic in it, are in fact false.
Excuse me? What system of logic is that?
They have always been false, and I dare say, just do a search on the "Piri Reis Map" and you will actually see the whole artic region at the top of this world - when it had no ice whatsoever!
The map doesn't show this.
If what we think to be true of "geological time" was in fact true - there could be no such map showing what is far beneath the ice in an area.
Yes, there could be such a map, since the map could be coincidence.
accurately depected the Amazon basins of South America and the northern coastline of Antarcita,
The map you showed me did not have an accurate depiction of the Amazon basin.
Evolution then, cannot be true - AND IT IS MELTING AWAY - just as the polar ice caps are "melting away!"
I think you are using "evolution" different from how we are using it. You seem to be using "evolution" as synonymous with science.
If it were true! If it were true! If evolution were indeed true(!) then all we would have to worry about would be the very gradual rise of water level, all over the globe. That conclusion, is in perfect keeping with the dicates of evolutionary logic. Please be aware of that fact! If the whole system of logic is only a fabrication in the first place, however, then we have far more to consider! For one thing, you need only take the time to mentally just try to caculate the tremendous WEIGHT involved, of all that water being moved to other areas of the globe - from where it is now as a stable solid!
And what does a liquid do? It evenly distributes! When the ice cube melts in a glass, does the glass suddenly tip over? Right now the "tremendous weight" is, as you noted, fixed. Why doesn't the earth's orbit wobble? It shoud,
by your logic. But when melted the liquid water will simply evenly distribute around the globe, just as it evenly distributes in a glass.
A second, more pressing factor that I see the real problem is the possibility "popping up," is a very sudden massive breaking of the ice that could rapidly leads to a shift in the actual "regular" orbital spin of the planet itself.
Why? According to you, that destabilization of the orbital spin should already be taking place because the ice is in its present position.
Moreover, look at what they are saying now about the ice melting, even on other planets. (I guess the "greenhouse effect" involves a much bigger greenhouse than anyone previously imagined!)
What are "they" saying?
They have not a clue all because the books known as "the Apocrypha" were all taken out.
Science is in trouble because Christians didn't include some books in the Bible?
It was not at the time of the King James Bible, however, as everyone has been led to believe. They stayed in - all the time up till the American Bible Society started sending Bibles to other nations in the early 1800's.
Oh, boy, Elijah, you are now into real fantasy land. The Apocrypha were excluded in the 4th-6th centuries AD.
That is also when the whole scheme of evolutional thinking was drafted into Western Civilization - and then, the rest of the world. If you look at it's orgins, Darwin's own father was a member of the "Lunar Society..." which graduated into "The Royal Society,"
Your history is bad. THe Royal Society was formed long before. Remember, Isaac Newton was a member of the Royal Society. You know, you can look this stuff up on the web.
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Societies/RShistory.html The Royal Society was founded in 1645! Long before Erasmus Darwin was born.
But, let's take another tack. Let's say that the Apocrypah didn't get really knocked out of the Bible.
Have you looked at the Apocrypha? Have you read the Infant Gospel of Thomas? They were left out of the canon for very good
theological reasons.
"The earth trembles to its foundations. The sea is stirred to its depths, and its waves are thrown into confusion, and its fish also, at hte presence of the Lord, and the glory of his might. For his right arm that bends the bow is strong, his arrows that he shoots are sharp; they will not miss when they begin to be shot to the ends of the earth. (II Esdras 16:12 Goodspeed ed)
So we have all come down to this. The Bible is the final authority and we are to ignore God's Creation. Not exactly new, Elijah. The only difference is we are supposed to include the Apocrypha, and ignore the really bad theology there!
In other words, I do firmly believe that the new heaven and the new earth - are right around the corrner!
So you are a new end-of-the-worlder. Join Paul and many others thru the history of Christianity. Of course, you can ignore Jesus when he said that only the Father knows the day and hour, but why listen to Jesus when you can read the Apocrypha and listen to you?
You can read more about it in this same forurm in various places where I have discussed what happens when there is a slight shift in the overall system of molecular forces.
You never have answered what these "shifts in molecular forces" are. What are they? Please be specific.