Evolution is proven false!

[SkyWriting]

Dunno. I'm just glad to see that you have finally dropped your use of the 2nd law argument.

From where did we get the energy of the Cosmos
if not from an outside source.

Second Law: Entropy

Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

Entropy: a state variable whose change is defined for a reversible process at T where Q is the heat absorbed.

Entropy: a measure of the amount of energy which is unavailable to do work.
Entropy: a measure of the disorder of a system.
Entropy: a measure of the multiplicity of a system.
Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time. For an isolated system, the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

Alternative statements: Second Law of Thermodynamics

 

[Messy]

How it came out of "nothing" is a problem still being contemplated by astrophysicists. It may be that "nothing" is unstable, and there has to be "something".

Really? Have you seen that happen?

No, a girl on a Dutch forum saw it when she went to a healing service in the States from Guillermo Maldonado. A guy that was sitting next to her, she saw his two fingers popping out.
Family members of mine had cancer removed instantly, they saw it on the xray and the doctors said it was a miracle and my ex prayed for a kid with a foot that was much smaller than the other one and it grew the same size.
His mother said she saw it happen in Indonesia, arms popping out, when she was 16. Only thing I could find on youtube was of a new whomb with doctor's papers.
I did see on an echo when I was just pregnant my kid when he was 7 weeks the heart wasn't beating anymore, I believe it had gone out of my body after that, because I had that happen twice and it looked exactly the same, but I prayed when I watched that movie from Reinhard Bonnke, raised from the dead, and then I saw two angels bringing a baby back and with the next echo he was back in my whomb, but then the gynaecologist said he hadn't seen it correct the first time. It couldn't be that it wasn't beating the first time. I saw it myself too. Oh well, whatever. I'm glad my mother believed me. She was the only one.

 

[Davian]

Originally Posted by SkyWriting View Post
You need the energy of an atomic bomb for each 2.5 grams of mass in the cosmos. If energy is "conserved" then where did that energy come from?
Try to stick to the science and avoid preaching.

I have stuck to science. That you do not like it does not make it preaching.

It never ceases to amaze me when religionists use their own terms in the pejorative.

Just completely unable to avoid it, huh?

Not around here. It happens quite regularly.

 

[SkyWriting]

I have stuck to science. That you do not like it ...<snip>

In your answer please.

 

[Loudmouth]

From where did we get the energy of the Cosmos
if not from an outside source.

Second Law: Entropy

Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

Entropy: a state variable whose change is defined for a reversible process at T where Q is the heat absorbed.

Entropy: a measure of the amount of energy which is unavailable to do work.
Entropy: a measure of the disorder of a system.
Entropy: a measure of the multiplicity of a system.
Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time. For an isolated system, the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

Alternative statements: Second Law of Thermodynamics

If you add energy to a system, entropy can decrease. The 2nd law allows for it. If this wasn't true, then refrigerators wouldn't work.

 

[Davian]

From where did we get the energy of the Cosmos
if not from an outside source.

Second Law: Entropy

Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

Entropy: a state variable whose change is defined for a reversible process at T where Q is the heat absorbed.

Entropy: a measure of the amount of energy which is unavailable to do work.
Entropy: a measure of the disorder of a system.
Entropy: a measure of the multiplicity of a system.
Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time. For an isolated system, the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

Alternative statements: Second Law of Thermodynamics

You said, "We all agree it is conserved".

It would appear that you are unclear with what was agreed upon.

If you have an issue with inflation theory, please state it clearly.

 

[Loudmouth]

All laws point toward the dilution of energy,order, and intelligence.

The total dilution of energy across the cosmos has increased over time.

Logically, something must have interfered or based on an equal
and opposing force resulting in our Cosmos.

I think that we can all agree that something happened to produce our Cosmos.

 

[florida2]

No, a girl on a Dutch forum saw it when she went to a healing service in the States from Guillermo Maldonado. A guy that was sitting next to her, she saw his two fingers popping out.
Family members of mine had cancer removed instantly, they saw it on the xray and the doctors said it was a miracle and my ex prayed for a kid with a foot that was much smaller than the other one and it grew the same size.
His mother said she saw it happen in Indonesia, arms popping out, when she was 16. Only thing I could find on youtube was of a new whomb with doctor's papers.
I did see on an echo when I was just pregnant my kid when he was 7 weeks the heart wasn't beating anymore, I believe it had gone out of my body after that, because I had that happen twice and it looked exactly the same, but I prayed when I watched that movie from Reinhard Bonnke, raised from the dead, and then I saw two angels bringing a baby back and with the next echo he was back in my whomb, but then the gynaecologist said he hadn't seen it correct the first time. It couldn't be that it wasn't beating the first time. I saw it myself too. Oh well, whatever. I'm glad my mother believed me. She was the only one.

I'm sorry, but eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence.

Why would God only heal a few people and not stop a tsunami 10 years ago from killing 250,000 people?

 

[Messy]

I'm sorry, but eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence.

Why would God only heal a few people and not stop a tsunami 10 years ago from killing 250,000 people?

I don't understand why they don't have more doctor's papers.
Here's one about a new whomb, but someone should check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8jvYStMcUvA#t=80
I read on internet about a girl with a leg that grew out. They investigated it and it turned out she just made the whole story up. Doctor knew nothing about it.
I don't think He can just stop every tsunami. Matthew 24 predicted it would happen, it's a result from the fall.

 

[Davian]

In your answer please.

Where have I not?

 

[Davian]

No, a girl on a Dutch forum saw it when she went to a healing service in the States from Guillermo Maldonado. A guy that was sitting next to her, she saw his two fingers popping out.
Family members of mine had cancer removed instantly, they saw it on the xray and the doctors said it was a miracle and my ex prayed for a kid with a foot that was much smaller than the other one and it grew the same size.
His mother said she saw it happen in Indonesia, arms popping out, when she was 16. Only thing I could find on youtube was of a new whomb with doctor's papers.
I did see on an echo when I was just pregnant my kid when he was 7 weeks the heart wasn't beating anymore, I believe it had gone out of my body after that, because I had that happen twice and it looked exactly the same, but I prayed when I watched that movie from Reinhard Bonnke, raised from the dead, and then I saw two angels bringing a baby back and with the next echo he was back in my whomb, but then the gynaecologist said he hadn't seen it correct the first time. It couldn't be that it wasn't beating the first time. I saw it myself too. Oh well, whatever. I'm glad my mother believed me. She was the only one.

I only believe this kind of stuff if I see it on TV.

 

[Messy]

I only believe this kind of stuff if I see it on TV.

You can watch Sid Roth. It's supernatural!

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't think He can just stop every tsunami. Matthew 24 predicted it would happen, it's a result from the fall.

God is a deity that can be stopped from doing what he wants to do by eating the wrong fruit? That's not a very strong God you have there.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

God is a deity that can be stopped from doing what he wants to do by eating the wrong fruit? That's not a very strong God you have there.

The fact He can't seem to be able to change His own rules suggests to me, He's not ultimate in authority.

 

[florida2]

I don't think He can just stop every tsunami. Matthew 24 predicted it would happen, it's a result from the fall.

So God isn't all powerful? God isn't in control? That's news.

 

[Loudmouth]

The fact He can't seem to be able to change His own rules suggests to me, He's not ultimate in authority.

It's as if he put a 4 year old in a room with a big, huge cookie jar full of cookies in the middle of the floor. He tells the 4 year old not to eat any of the cookies. God also creates the room with a 12 year old who wants to see the kid trip up. God walks away. The 12 year old tells the 4 year old that it really isn't that big of a deal to eat a few of the cookies.

What do you think happens next? I think everyone knows what happens next . . . and yet God was surprised. Go figure.

 

[SkyWriting]

So God isn't all powerful? God isn't in control? That's news.

That is in heaven. Here, Satan is the god of this planet.

New Living Translation
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.


The good news to you.

 

[Loudmouth]

That is in heaven. Here, Satan is the god of this planet.

New Living Translation
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.


The good news to you.

And then God is going to throw us into Hell because we couldn't see what Satan was blocking us from seeing? And God couldn't do anything about it?

Talk about some backwards theology . . .

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm sorry, but eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence.

It is not shown to be less reliable
or valuable than expert testimony.
Please don't avoid jury duty.

 

[SkyWriting]

And then God is going to throw us into Hell because we couldn't see what Satan was blocking us from seeing? And God couldn't do anything about it? Talk about some backwards theology . . .

Hell is where you end up if you choose to avoid
eternal life with the Father.
It is not an outside "cell" or confinement.
If you reject God, you don't get the benefits
and end up dead without benefits.

All the torment is internal, not externally applied
as many have suggested.

But what is worse? External or internal torment?
External torment would be letting you off easy.
You'd have somebody else to blame for your pain.