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Evolution is not science

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Can you show all the mutations?

Yes. Both the chimp and human genomes have been sequenced and compared to one another.

Initial sequence of the chimpanzee genome and comparison with the human genome : Article : Nature

In fact, all of the ape genomes have been sequenced, including humans.

Insights into hominid evolution from the gorilla genome sequence : Nature : Nature Publishing Group

Comparative and demographic analysis of orang-utan genomes : Nature : Nature Publishing Group

These genomes are a direct record of evolution in those lineages.
 
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You may not like those who do not go for your "song and dance" science replies. I don't go for two dollar bills.

"A real scientist" is a big part of the subject. If you walk by Scientism, well guess what that scientist will promote, discuss, etc.

That is who you are facing, someone pointing out who YOU are.

But you are use to only the "Creationists" as being wrong. Well, you are learning something about Naturalists, and you don't seem to appreciate it.

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We are learning something about you. We are learning that you consider science to be a great threat to your beliefs which is why you have to lie about it, and then run the other way when the evidence starts to pile up against you.
 
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You may not like those who do not go for your "song and dance" science replies. I don't go for two dollar bills.
Some anti-science types I like and some I don't. I've never found anything attractive in their rejection of reality, however.

"A real scientist" is a big part of the subject. If you walk by Scientism, well guess what that scientist will promote, discuss, etc.

That is who you are facing, someone pointing out who YOU are.
You mean you? You show no signs of knowing who I am or what I think. You seem as uninterested in real scientists as you are in the real physical world.

But you are use to only the "Creationists" as being wrong.
Quite -- because they always are wrong. When they bother saying anything scientific at all, that is. Mostly they're like you, dodging any engagement with data.
Well, you are learning something about Naturalists, and you don't seem to appreciate it.
You seriously think I find your comments to be disturbing revelations about myself? Just . . . wow.

Note that you still haven't answered my questions. Why can't creationists, with their superior, spiritual-based understanding, do remotely as good a job explaining routine data as naturalist, blind-to-reality scientists (many of whom are also Christians, of course)?
 
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We are learning something about you. We are learning that you consider science to be a great threat to your beliefs which is why you have to lie about it, and then run the other way when the evidence starts to pile up against you.


You are slow to apprehend that I am pointing to and exposing your foundation about Evolution and Scientism.

The threat is to your foundation, and the lack of fossil evidence thereof.

Now, where is your evidence? Show us all the series of fossils that show Evolution. You keep diverting this matter.

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You are slow to apprehend that I am pointing to and exposing your foundation about Evolution and Scientism.

The threat is to your foundation, and the lack of fossil evidence thereof.

What threat?
 
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You are slow to apprehend that I am pointing to and exposing your foundation about Evolution and Scientism.

We are showing you the very fossils you claim don't exist, and you turn tail and run.

The threat is to your foundation, and the lack of fossil evidence thereof.

We have the very fossils you are asking for. We have shown them to you.

Now, where is your evidence? Show us all the series of fossils that show Evolution. You keep diverting this matter.

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Show me a Paleontology text that has even one series of fossils from a sequential strata that step by step presents the morphological changes from one species to another.

I have three right here on my bookshelf. Why don't you hop on 45, drive up to Dallas and I'll show them to you.

Full representative fossils. Not fragments and creative mix and match force fits.

Your little attempt to poison the well is noted and rejected. Not only to fragments provide some information, we actually have a number of nearly full skeletons and even partial ones that can be extrapolated because of bilateral symmetry. Lucy for example is "only" about 40% complete. But, because of bilateral symmetry, and the fact that many of the bones preserved are from different parts of her body, we can "flesh" out her skeleton to about 75%.

Without this evidence Evolution lacks real world proof. All else is conjecture.

No scientist, or even a layman proficient in scientific discussion would use evidence and proof in the same sentence.

Before you state "there are transition fossils" you may want to look for the evidence. Then present such evidence.

And yet this post is full of assertions that are counter to evidence one could find by plugging a handful of words into a search engine.

The foundation Evolution is based on has no evidence. All we see are already existing species. No series of changes to show Evolution occurred.

Do you want to face this issue that Darwin feared may prove his hypothesis wrong?

Yeah, like these two microparagraphs. ^^^

This matter would be "settled" in every Paleontology and Historical Geology text, in full color photos of each fossil, its state of transition thats obvious, and further ptesentation of the hundreds of other "sequential strata that shows the series of transitional fossils, photo by photo, location, age in stratum, environmental conditions, and the like, beyond doubt PROVING EVOLUTION.

There's that used of "proof" again. And, you do realize that most photos are copywritten and thus cost money for a publisher to reuse, right? Textbooks are expensive enough without your goalposts moved to the moon.

Nature magazine would be presenting the "latest set of transition fossils found" on a regular basis to futher support Evolution, the very foundational evidence.

As has been explained to you several times, the days of fossils being the foundational evidence for evolution is long past. We can learn more from genetics than we ever could from fossils with regard to relatedness. The fossils are a thick, delicious layer of frosting on an already very rich cake. And have you tried looking at a copy of Nature lately?

Here's an article from June regarding early primate evolution and guess what? It's got photos!
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7452/full/nature12200.html

But look at Nature Magazine through the 144 years of publication, there are no "transitional fossils series" presented, only CARTOONS and "INFERRED". Sorry, cartoons and something inferred are not fundamental, foundational evidence that proves Evolution. All they present are already existing species and "truths" such as Punctuated Equilibrium by Doctor so-and-so.

If you go to a source as common as Wikipedia and the transitional fossil page there are 5 different color photos of the fossils in the Prominent Examples section, so I don't know where you're getting this "cartoons" garbage. There's plenty of photos of fossils. As far as information derived from those fossils, there's pages and pages of analysis, numbers big and small, words big and small and graphs, charts, etc. just in that one article linked above.
Transitional fossil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7452/full/nature12200.html
 
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And yet dogs are dogs and cats are cats, and we have personally with our very eyes seen them change over our lifetimes. Just admit that kind after kind has been hijacked to be interpreted as false evolution. Every genome from Siamese to tabby has always existed within the cat kind, nothing new has ever been observed and ever will, just change of appearance as some genes become dominate and some become repressed.

There is no gradual change observed within the fossil record, as a matter of fact the dino reptiles are now believed to be mammals. Half the species you thought were separate have been found to be nothing but the young of specific kinds. The evolutionary tree has been demolished, wake up to reality.

There is no proof to back up evolution for the simple fact that it never happened. The latest round of DNA testing showed a forest of trees, not a tree branching out. Kind after kind, always has been, always will be. But keep coming up with sad excuses to support a theory based upon nothing but Fairie Dust.
 
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And yet dogs are dogs and cats are cats, and we have personally with our very eyes seen them change over our lifetimes

When was the diverge of domesticated dogs ever witnessed by anyone? Any record of it? Has the creation of every single breed been observed? What about cats? When did we witness that happening? Got any dates? Records?

Every genome from Siamese to tabby has always existed within the cat kind

Declaring something as fact does not actually make it a fact.

Half the species you thought were separate have been found to be nothing but the young of specific kinds.

No, they haven't.

There is no gradual change observed within the fossil record, as a matter of fact the dino reptiles are now believed to be mammals.

Just a lie. Just because they're thought to be warm-blooded does not automatically make them mammals. I defy you to find a single scientific paper in which a scientist refers to them as such.
 
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Genome, mutation, what we would expect, yata, yata, yata.

You, with other Naturalists, have exalted yourselves through earthly derived knowledge. But the very foundation of Evolution does not exist. There is no physical evidence that one species has changed into another species through mutations.


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Wrong spelling, it is yada yada yada:


Seinfeld Clip - The Yada-Yada - YouTube
 
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You are slow to apprehend that I am pointing to and exposing your foundation about Evolution and Scientism.

The threat is to your foundation, and the lack of fossil evidence thereof.

Now, where is your evidence? Show us all the series of fossils that show Evolution. You keep diverting this matter.

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You have been shown the evidence many times over. You are not an appropriate judge. It does not matter if we cannot find the evidence you want to see.

Your problem probably arises from the fact that you do not now what scientific evidence is.

Did you know that there is not one whit of scientific evidence for creationism, and it is the fault of creation "scientists"?
 
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If you want real 'nutty' that would be evolution. Remember its you guys who think man share ancestry with apes or fish. You can't get anymore crackpot that that.

You know what they say; the truth can be stranger than fiction.
 
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When was the diverge of domesticated dogs ever witnessed by anyone? Any record of it? Has the creation of every single breed been observed? What about cats? When did we witness that happening? Got any dates? Records?


Declaring something as fact does not actually make it a fact.


No, they haven't.


Just a lie. Just because they're thought to be warm-blooded does not automatically make them mammals. I defy you to find a single scientific paper in which a scientist refers to them as such.



You like other Naturalists do not like to be on the defense and pushed backed about your "evidence".

Yet you claim science is self correcting. I guess such is true as long as Christians are not involved.

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You have been shown the evidence many times over. You are not an appropriate judge. It does not matter if we cannot find the evidence you want to see.


The so called evidence you have presented has showed that you trust in what other Naturalists produce and failure to scrutinize and find the error in their work and conclusions.

How did you miss this? And why did you accept such as fundamental evidence for Evolution?

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The so called evidence you have presented has showed that you trust in what other Naturalists produce and failure to scrutinize and find the error in their work and conclusions.

How did you miss this? And why did you accept such as fundamental evidence for Evolution?

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We've been scrutinizing you pretty well -- found all your errors many times over.
 
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The so called evidence you have presented has showed that you trust in what other Naturalists produce and failure to scrutinize and find the error in their work and conclusions.

How did you miss this? And why did you accept such as fundamental evidence for Evolution?

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Wrong, the evidence I have found fits the definition of scientific evidence. A concept that is beyond you.

I would be more than happy to help you understand that concept.
 
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Wrong, the evidence I have found fits the definition of scientific evidence. A concept that is beyond you.

I would be more than happy to help you understand that concept.


Tell us the concept that you are sure is beyond me.

And define in the fossil record context what is scientific evidence.

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The so called evidence you have presented has showed that you trust in what other Naturalists produce and failure to scrutinize and find the error in their work and conclusions.

How did you miss this? And why did you accept such as fundamental evidence for Evolution?

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Why do you accept what anonymous authors wrote in the NT 50 years after Jesus died?
 
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If you want real 'nutty' that would be evolution. Remember its you guys who think man share ancestry with apes or fish. You can't get anymore crackpot that that.

It's not crackpot when we have evidence. LOTS of evidence.
 
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