Evolution is mathematically impossible

[Speedwell]

Based on what I'm reading no one understands it.

So they don't evolve into an elephant?

No, they both evolved from an earlier life form--they have a common ancestor.

 

[TBDude65]

No need for odds. Evolution is impossible by it's own definition and minimum requirements.

Could you elaborate? I've done a pretty exhaustive look at evolution from a variety of perspectives, and I haven't come across anything that corroborates this general claim

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Could you elaborate? I've done a pretty exhaustive look at evolution from a variety of perspectives, and I haven't come across anything that corroborates this general claim

The organisms that supposedly 'began' the process didn't have the means to begin the process, according the minimal requirements of the process. The required complexity of an organism before evolution can take place is astounding. It's a "chicken and egg" thing; scientific circular reasoning: The means of evolution must evolved before evolution can happen. Of course this is impossible.

 

[bhsmte]

The organisms that 'began' the process didn't have the means to begin the process.

Prove it.

 

[Speedwell]

The organisms that 'began' the process didn't have the means to begin the process.

Sure. You think that if you trace evolution back far enough you will find some kind of a "gap" which natural processes could not have bridged. You won't. God didn't leave one.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sure. You think that if you trace evolution back far enough you will find some kind of a "gap" which natural processes could not have bridged.

Can you explain the origin of the means of evolution?

 

[TBDude65]

The organisms that supposedly 'began' the process didn't have the means to begin the process, according the minimal requirements of the process. The required complexity of an organism before evolution can take place is astounding. It's a "chicken and egg" thing; scientific circular reasoning: The means of evolution must evolved before evolution can happen. Of course this is impossible.

So your issue is with what the definition is of the first living organism?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, they both evolved from an earlier life form--they have a common ancestor.

What earlier life form?

 

[Speedwell]

Can you explain the origin of the means of evolution?

Not if you didn't understand that chemical schematic I posted for you. Let's just leave it that there is no "gap" for you to fit your God into, and mine doesn't need one.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So your issue is with what the definition is of the first living organism?

The first life form able to evolve, and how was that ability obtained? Every explanation of evolution involves incredibly complex pre-existing organisms and processes. It's scientific "turtles all the way down" speak.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not if you didn't understand that chemical schematic I posted for you. Let's just leave it that there is no "gap" for you to fit your God into, and mine doesn't need one.

There is no gap because there is no evolution.

 

[TBDude65]

The first life form able to evolve, and how was that ability obtained?

The issue seems to be how you think it is defined. What would be the primary issue with defining the very first living organism? The is specifically complicated by what the best definition of life is such that it would enable us to define what is clearly life from non-life. How do you define life?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The issue seems to be how you think it is defined. What would be the primary issue with defining the very first living organism? The is specifically complicated by what the best definition of life is such that it would enable us to define what is clearly life from non-life. How do you define life?

I'm questioning the ability to evolve, not how life began. How did an organism obtain the ability to evolve? Further, how did an organism even become an organism before it obtained the ability to evolve?

 

[Speedwell]

There is no gap because there is no evolution.

If you think that, then why are you asking questions about how it works?

 

[Speedwell]

I'm questioning the ability to evolve, not how life began.

What's the difference? Being able to reproduce is one of the characteristics of life.

 

[TBDude65]

I'm questioning the ability to evolve, not how life began. How did an organism obtain the ability to evolve? Further, how did an organism even become an organism before it obtained the ability to evolve?

Your initial objection you cited has nothing to do with showing that evolution is impossible among living organisms (at any level, single- to multicellular). You cited an issue with how evolution can begin in the absence of life. What we have is a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means for something to be "alive" and simplest and most basic level

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What's the difference? Being able to reproduce is one of the characteristics of life.

Of created life, yes.

 

[bhsmte]

Hilarious!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Your initial objection you cited has nothing to do with showing that evolution is impossible among living organisms (at any level, single- to multicellular). You cited an issue with how evolution can begin in the absence of life. What we have is a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means for something to be "alive" and simplest and most basic level

I'm trying to understand how an organism can evolve before it has the means to do so. What you are implying is that whenever or however "life" began it contained all the complexity needed to evolve. But based on those requirements it is unthinkable that they "sprang" into existence with that ability.

 

[Speedwell]

Of created life, yes.

Of life, period, whether it was "created" in some way according to your religion or God had it emerge through the action of natural process. Saying that living things have the ability to reproduce is merely a definition of life, not a statement about how living things came to be.