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Evolution is mathematically impossible

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No hard evidence, just the odds against it happening.
You've already stated that you don't have the data to formulate an equation to determine the odds therefore it is impossible for you to know the odds are against it.

Try again.
 
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Read up on it. Lot's of info out there.
In other words "I can't support my claim with any facts so I'm going to dishonestly shift the burden of proof onto Queller".

Typical
 
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Just look at you own hand (it's right there, on the end of your arm).
You said:

"there are diagrams available to support my contention."

My hand is not a diagram. Show us a diagram that supports your conclusion.
 
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What have you actually read about it? Give us some books or scientific articles you've read.

I just finished reading about the genome. I can't fathom how long that took to evolve (there was nothing in the article about that either). It would take quantum leaps of evolution to accomplish all that. I just don't think there's enough time even given millions of years, and, evolution doesn't operate in quantum leaps, like God does.
 
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Just look at your own hand (it's right there, on the end of your arm).

So do you think that God designed the hands of chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans separately from human hands, or that he designed an archetypal hand for our common ancestor and allowed it to evolve for different functions in the lineages leading to each of the modern apes (including ourselves)?
 
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I just finished reading about the genome.
NAme th earticle or book you read

I can't fathom how long that took to evolve (there was nothing in the article about that either).
Who cares about what you can fathom?

It would take quantum leaps of evolution to accomplish all that.
Prove it.

I just don't think there's enough time even given millions of years, and, evolution doesn't operate in quantum leaps, like God does.
God doesn't operate in quantum leaps either. He's already home.
 
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You said:

"there are diagrams available to support my contention."

My hand is not a diagram. Show us a diagram that supports your conclusion.

Design is in the eye of the beholder. There is no scientific definition. I could show you 'God's blueprint' and you still wouldn't see design. So there really is no point.
 
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Design is in the eye of the beholder. There is no scientific definition. I could show you 'God's blueprint' and you still wouldn't see design. So there really is no point.
So basically you just lied when you said:

"there are diagrams available to support my contention."
 
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I just finished reading about the genome. I can't fathom how long that took to evolve (there was nothing in the article about that either). It would take quantum leaps of evolution to accomplish all that. I just don't think there's enough time even given millions of years, and, evolution doesn't operate in quantum leaps, like God does.

Another argument form ignorance. What many creationists do not understand is that evolution depends upon populations, not individuals. What that means is that we have a whole population to draw from when it comes to evolutionary changes. If one puts reasonable numbers where both the number of mutations per generation and number of individuals are involved along with the number of years one finds that there has been more than enough time for new mutations to appear.
 
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Design is in the eye of the beholder. There is no scientific definition. I could show you 'God's blueprint' and you still wouldn't see design. So there really is no point.
In other words you have no evidence. This is why I keep offering to discuss the concept of evidence with you and other creationists.
 
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I just finished reading about the genome. I can't fathom how long that took to evolve (there was nothing in the article about that either). It would take quantum leaps of evolution to accomplish all that. I just don't think there's enough time even given millions of years, and, evolution doesn't operate in quantum leaps, like God does.

Do you know what a quantum leap actually is? It is not a large change, as you appear to think; it is actually a very small change in energy, of the same magnitude as in a transition by an electron from one energy level in an atom to another. Quantum changes of that sort are at the basis of chemistry, so it is probably true to say that evolution does operate in quantum leaps.
 
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You need to understand that you're trying to make an emotional argument here (e.g. an argument based on awe and wonder). And it's never going to work.

It's like me telling you that La La Land is the greatest film of all time simply because I had a positive emotional reaction when I watched it. If you don't share the same reaction, you won't agree that it's the greatest film of all time.

You need to come up with a different argument.

Evolution articles do the same thing. Very little is ever said about the process of evolution in these writings. It is assumed that the reader understands that the process is alive and well, even if only lurking in the shadows...or behind the curtain. It's like, by looking at the product we should be able to see the process. Sorry, I don't.
 
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In other words you have no evidence. This is why I keep offering to discuss the concept of evidence with you and other creationists.

There is no evidence of evolution, as I understand it.
 
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I can't fathom how long that took to evolve (there was nothing in the article about that either).

One of the conceptual challenges re: evolution is trying to conceptualize the amount of time that life has been evolving on this planet. Humans are used to thinking in terms of minutes, hours or days. We have no concept for millions or billions of years.

Hence, trying to wrap one's head around how much change could occur over that length of time is going to be tough.
 
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Your understanding is sorely lacking.

Evolution is observed even.

The problem may lie in the definition of evolution.

The argument, imo, boils down to either common ancestor or common designer. As I see common design I go with common designer.
 
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There is no evidence of evolution, as I understand it.

You've admitted you don't understand it though and seemingly have no desire to try to understand it.

Really, all this does is reinforce the correlation between lack of (scientific) knowledge and belief in creationism.
 
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