Evolution is just a theory!

Hoghead1 · Nov 7, 2015

Your comment that evolution is just a theory brings up an important point. Many are fond of saying it is just a theory. Since they mean that its unproved they use the term "theory." This is incorrect, something is called a theory, whether it is verified or no. It is true that science does require some real degree of imaginative speculation. However, that does not mean evolution is just a pipedream. You are forgetting that the hard evidence, the fossils, the speed of light, etc., all point to evolution. In addition, there re plenty of transitional fossils. Many say here is no missing link found. u hat is not true. What is true is that our speculations on what a missing link would look like do not completely square with the way nature sees it, so to speak. Also, if you are going to write off evolution because it does entail a leap beyond the facts, speculation, you are going to have a hard time justifying anything biblical. Remember, no one was around to directly observe the Big Band, and no one as around to observe God doing it in six days, either.

JacksBratt · Nov 7, 2015

AV1611VET said:
It's also a game of connect-the-dots [witchcraft edition].

Correct. It's also not observable or repeatable.

Hoghead1 · Nov 7, 2015

Evolution, however, has been observed in t the lab in experiments with certain bacteria. In terms of observing it, there are anyone of a number of natural observations, one being the fossil record. The other by observing ourselves. I hold the traditional notion of the self, some permanent, immutable underlying substratum of ourselves is wholly a myth. Moment to moment we are changing, a new self. No thinker thinks twice. The self is really a society of perishing creative moments of experience. We can never stay put, or go backward, only forward into new creative possibilities. Hence, I say we are all evolving.

Job8 · Nov 7, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
Remember, no one was around to directly observe the Big Band, and no one as around to observe God doing it in six days, either.

Actually there are three Witnesses in Heaven who observed God creating all things in six days -- the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost (1 Jn 5:7) and in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word is established.

Why would God need a "Big Bang" when He could simply speak every atom into existence, and those atoms and molecules would result in fully formed, fully developed, and fully functional species distinct from each other? It takes more faith to believe in a Big Bang and leaving everything to time and chance, than it does to believe that the Almighty Creator created all things perfectly.

Evolution isn't "just a theory". It is a poor excuse for a theory.

Job8 · Nov 7, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
Hence, I say we are all evolving.

You mean "devolving"? Look all around you and observe the devolution of mankind into savages who think nothing of destroying everything, and massacring innocents by the hundreds of thousands, and even millions.

Hoghead1 · Nov 7, 2015

Look, if you going to fault evolution for not being observable, which isn't quite true, then, by your own standards, you faith in God is also highly questionable and but a theory. No one ever observed God creating the universe, either.

Hoghead1 · Nov 7, 2015

Job8 said:
Actually there are three Witnesses in Heaven who observed God creating all things in six days -- the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost (1 Jn 5:7) and in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word is established.

Why would God need a "Big Bang" when He could simply speak every atom into existence, and those atoms and molecules would result in fully formed, fully developed, and fully functional species distinct from each other? It takes more faith to believe in a Big Bang and leaving everything to time and chance, than it does to believe that the Almighty Creator created all things perfectly.

Evolution isn't "just a theory". It is a poor excuse for a theory.

Hoghead1 · Nov 7, 2015

It is first of all debatable that Gen. is speaking of the Trinity here; and if it were, that doesn't count to bring them in, because all that means is that God observed his creation. hat isn't the issue here. The issue is our end of it; and it is plain to see that if no one has directly observed the Big Bang, no one of us observed God creating, either.

Hoghead1 · Nov 7, 2015

It makes no sense to pit evolution against Scripture as the biblical world was not at all equipped to be scientific in any sense of the word. No, evolution is based on hard science, the weak theory here is your unsupported notion that the biblical writers were presenting a scientific account. If God wanted science, he would have sent a geologist into the desert, not Moses.

AV1611VET · Nov 7, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
one being the fossil record.

The fossil record points to instant creation.

If you took all the fossils we have in existence, photographed them, then made an FPS book out of them ... as you flipped through the book, it would look like instant creation.

Life would appear suddenly and in full development.

AV1611VET · Nov 7, 2015

Job8 said:
Actually there are three Witnesses in Heaven who observed God creating all things in six days -- the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost (1 Jn 5:7) and in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word is established.

Indeed!

Not to mention the angels -- including Lucifer.

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

AV1611VET · Nov 7, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
Look, if you going to fault evolution for not being observable, which isn't quite true, then, by your own standards, you faith in God is also highly questionable and but a theory. No one ever observed God creating the universe, either.

Then don't call what you believe "science;" and what we believe "faith."

Either call them both "science," or both "faith."

AV1611VET · Nov 7, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
The issue is our end of it; and it is plain to see that if no one has directly observed the Big Bang, no one of us observed God creating, either.

That's right.

I didn't observe the creation events.

That's why it's called "faith."

I didn't observe my own birth either -- or yours.

Yet here we are.

AV1611VET · Nov 7, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
It makes no sense to pit evolution against Scripture as the biblical world was not at all equipped to be scientific in any sense of the word. No, evolution is based on hard science, the weak theory here is your unsupported notion that the biblical writers were presenting a scientific account. If God wanted science, he would have sent a geologist into the desert, not Moses.

That is correct.

The creation events have nothing to do with science whatsoever.

They are a series of miracles that raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to its current level in six days.

Hoghead1 · Nov 8, 2015

So what, AV? If you have picture book of the Civil War, you could quick leaf through it and it might seem the war took only a couple hours. But that ain't the way it really happened, is it?

mickiio · Nov 8, 2015

Hoghead1 said:
Evolution, however, has been observed in t the lab in experiments with certain bacteria. In terms of observing it, there are anyone of a number of natural observations, one being the fossil record. Moment to moment we are changing, a new self.

Microevolution and Natural Selection has been. I have no problem with the fossil records, just your interpretation of them. Moment to moment we are becoming more and more degraded. Order to disorder. Energy is lost as it changes and expands.

ecco · Nov 8, 2015

ecco said:

In any case, let's see what you may have based your comment on...
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/q7.htm

1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

You will note that what is written in Chronicles is not really the same as the apologetics.
There is a big difference between:

He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.

-and-

The orbit of the earth is firm, immovable.

My emphasis

myarogancewasblottedout said:
He fixed(verb implying doing something to rectify/better) the earth firm, immovable.(sturdy, unchanging) .

You gotta be kidding!

http://biblehub.net/searchtopical.php?q=fixed

Fixed (284 Occurrences)
... Bible Concordance. Fixed (284 Occurrences)

284 occurrences of the word “fixed”. Not one refers to “fixed” as better, rectify, improve or correct.

It's bad enough that religious people pick and choose which verses are literal as compared to allegory, or how to interpret verses. Now we have a religious person who chooses to define a translated word in a manner in which it is not used anywhere in scripture.

The rest of your post is equally ridiculous:

myarogancewasblottedout said:
and consider that Noah was in the Ark 40 days, perhaps 40 days is a clue for something else like 40,000 years?

Perhaps?!?! Perhaps it's a clue for something else like 40 seconds. Which is about how long the ark would have lasted.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Nov 8, 2015

Job8 said:
You mean "devolving"? Look all around you and observe the devolution of mankind into savages who think nothing of destroying everything, and massacring innocents by the hundreds of thousands, and even millions.

I assume that this quote is meant to imply that the more religious a person/society, the more peaceful they are. It says to me that the poster assumes that the centuries preceding the creation of the theory of Evolution were somehow a paradise on Earth.
Look up the French War of Religion, specifically the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre, along with the 30 Years Wars, the Crusades, the Reconquista, the Mormon War, the Utah Mormon War, the Illinois Mormon War, to name a few.
Humans are capable of great kindness and great cruelty. No god or gods is needed for either, although many like to praise a god/gods for the former and blame them for the latter.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Nov 8, 2015

mickiio said:
Microevolution and Natural Selection has been. I have no problem with the fossil records, just your interpretation of them. Moment to moment we are becoming more and more degraded. Order to disorder. Energy is lost as it changes and expands.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics does not apply to a biological being.

Not_By_Chance · Nov 8, 2015

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
The Second Law of Thermodynamics does not apply to a biological being.

Not even after it dies?

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