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But this is simply incorrect. Where did you get this definition of a scientific theory?daveleau said:Theories are simply hypothesis with some evidence. Facts (in this context) are theories that are proven. Evolution is not fact. That would mean that everything within it is not up for debate. This is far far far from the truth.
The problem is that evolutionary theory does not explain why greed remains as such a powerful force in society when we have come to the stage where all men understand that only in cooperation can there be progress. Based on evolutionary theory greed should have evolved out of the human race a long time ago. The concept is there but the reality contradicts.Ben_Hur said:Evolution is only a spiritually dangerous thing to teach if Christians teach the kids that believing in evolution means they are not chrisitians.
This is a problem that Christians have created for themselves.
Evolution deals with the physical ability to reproduce only. Once we are of breeding age or have had children, evolution doesn't really apply, we have successfully won the 'struggle for existence' to the point where our population survives and our individual traits are passed on to the gene pool. Evolution deals with populations, not individuals.statrei said:The problem is that evolutionary theory does not explain why greed remains as such a powerful force in society when we have come to the stage where all men understand that only in cooperation can there be progress. Based on evolutionary theory greed should have evolved out of the human race a long time ago. The concept is there but the reality contradicts.
Since Evolution deals with populations rather than on individuals, one would not expect to find in the population a characteristic that is focussed on the individual rather than on the population. Greed is an essentially individual trait.notto said:Evolution deals with the physical ability to reproduce only. Once we are of breeding age or have had children, evolution doesn't really apply, we have successfully won the 'struggle for existence' to the point where our population survives and our individual traits are passed on to the gene pool. Evolution deals with populations, not individuals.
Can you show us how greed either helps or hinders the ability to reproduce within a population? I don't think there is a direct correlation and evolution says nothing about 'greed' as we use the term.
You still are missing the point about this populations vs. individuals trait of evolution.statrei said:Since Evolution deals with populations rather than on individuals, one would not expect to find in the population a characteristic that is focussed on the individual rather than on the population. Greed is an essentially individual trait.
Right, there are two sets of known facts we start with:Gold Dragon said:The mechanisms of evolution (genetic drift and natural selection) are observed facts. The extent to which those mechanisms can explain the diversity of life on this planet is theory.
The problem is that evolutionary theory does not explain why greed remains as such a powerful force in society
Your attempt to equate the law of gravity with the theory of evolution is a clear that you should not be taken seriously. Deal with the question. This is not about morality. It is about what the difference between populations and individuals and whether conflicting characteristics are passed on in the gene pool.artybloke said:The problem with the theory of gravity is that it doesn't explain why greed remains as such a pwerful force in society, either.
And, you know what? It doesn't matter.
Science isn't morality. It describes the world. It doesn't deal with religious/moral truth. It wasn't meant to. All the theory of evolution does is expalin the mechanism by which life on earth got to be where it is now.
conflicting characteristics
Greed serves the individual yet the evidence is that it is those populations that learn how to cooperate that make significant progress.artybloke said:What are conflicting characteristics?
If 'greed' is to be addressed by evolutionary theory, then you need to demonstrate that it affects the ability of individual to reproduce, the ability for an individual to live until it can reproduce, or that it provides selective pressure on a population or represents an individual trait that can be selected on by selective pressure of the environment.statrei said:Greed serves the individual yet the evidence is that it is those populations that learn how to cooperate that make significant progress.
I hope you won't be offended if I choose to accept a model that accounts for all aspects of human growth and development instead of only one.notto said:If 'greed' is to be addressed by evolutionary theory, then you need to demonstrate that it affects the ability of individual to reproduce, the ability for an individual to live until it can reproduce, or that it provides selective pressure on a population or represents an individual trait that can be selected on by selective pressure of the environment.
Can you do this?
If not, you are trying to use evolutionary theory outside of the scope of an issue it can address (and are not talking about evolutionary theory any more)
Evolution isn't about progress, it is about survival only.
Rattle on.
Thats fine. Just don't call it 'evolution' . Perhaps sociology or philosophy is more in line with what you are discussing.statrei said:I hope you won't be offended if I choose to accept a model that accounts for all aspects of human growth and development instead of only one.
What is the basis for believing a single model has to exist that explains both physical development and social development?statrei said:I hope you won't be offended if I choose to accept a model that accounts for all aspects of human growth and development instead of only one.
You are free to posit that we "became" Man. You are free to posit anything you desire. But please don't give the impression that it "follows necessarily."Vance said:What is the basis for believing a single model has to exist that explains both physical development and social development?
Especially when one considers that Man is God's special creation here on this earth and His interaction with Man, His plan for Man's relationship with Him and all else that goes with this, would indicate that once a we became "Man" and in this relationship, that Man's existence would necessarily vary a great deal from the rest of His creation.
I never claimed to be an expert in evolution. It has far more gaps than the alternative. (Please don't try to label me a Creationist just because I believe the universe is the product of a divine act of Creation. I have no idea what Creationists believe).notto said:Thats fine. Just don't call it 'evolution' . Perhaps sociology or philosophy is more in line with what you are discussing.
Evolution: Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
Then you should use this as an opportunity to learn about evolution. My guess is that what you perceive as "gaps" are simply issues that evolution doesn't (and can't) address, such as greed.statrei said:I never claimed to be an expert in evolution. It has far more gaps than the alternative. (Please don't try to label me a Creationist just because I believe the universe is the product of a divine act of Creation. I have no idea what Creationists believe).
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