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Hey Steve, just for the record....
When I get lucky enough (pun intended, hahaha) to reach your age, I can only hope to have 1/10th of your "focus" and "clear mindedness". (trouble finding the right word).
Respect, mate. I hope that I'll be reading new posts of you for many years to come!
A week late then, but happy birthday dude!
No they didn't. They were the morons who damned so many people to be sent to Hell.Adam and Havah knew a lot more than we do,
and would complete reject all so-called 'science' today.
Not so.once polio was cured, mankind still had the same potential to become crippled by disease.
But things have been evolving for billions of years. Evolution is hardly a new phenomenon: how can something that has been in existence since just after life began be a sign of the end?2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
What is a more powerful delusion in these days than the theory of evolution, the age of the earth, and all things that stemmed forth from these theories to create the current secular ways of thinking?
Scripture says in the end times there will be a strong delusion sent by God purposely so that unbelievers and unrighteous people will believe a lie.
Now I don't believe evolution and such are all that will be put forth. There will be more to come that will be added to those theories. I also don't believe it's saying that all who believe in the current theories put forth are damned - no, I see it as saying that the final theory will be put forth will be a "believe or don't" type of thing, aligning with most likely the mark of the beast and things of that nature.
I don't see how evolution and age of the earth and other like-minded theories cannot be a part of it really. They're too powerful, too well-known, too believed.
It seems as though there will be final separation. Those who believe the lie, the goats, and those who believe the truth, the sheep. And it appears evolution is a big factor in this separation.
Thoughts?
? Most people today are doing worse, willingly.No they didn't. They were the morons who damned so many people to be sent to Hell.
But things have been evolving for billions of years.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
What is a more powerful delusion in these days than the theory of evolution, the age of the earth, and all things that stemmed forth from these theories to create the current secular ways of thinking?
Scripture says in the end times there will be a strong delusion sent by God purposely so that unbelievers and unrighteous people will believe a lie.
Now I don't believe evolution and such are all that will be put forth. There will be more to come that will be added to those theories. I also don't believe it's saying that all who believe in the current theories put forth are damned - no, I see it as saying that the final theory will be put forth will be a "believe or don't" type of thing, aligning with most likely the mark of the beast and things of that nature.
I don't see how evolution and age of the earth and other like-minded theories cannot be a part of it really. They're too powerful, too well-known, too believed.
It seems as though there will be final separation. Those who believe the lie, the goats, and those who believe the truth, the sheep. And it appears evolution is a big factor in this separation.
Thoughts?
Yep. You're correct.One recent example: persisting in blatant unbelief.
You can interpret it that way, if you like. My intended meaning was "there's so much I disagree with in this statement I don't know where to begin", if it helps.
As for medicine having no benefit to mankind, well, you remember that next time you don't die from smallpox.
And I note that you ignored the part of my statement in which I ask you to show your evidence.
Which is a completely absurd statement to make.
Hunger in the world, if it is solvable, is going to be solved by science.
It's science that informs us on how to best cultivate food.
Desease in the world, if solvable, will be solved by science.
It's science that informs us on how to best combat deseases.
Science is how we learn things. Knowledge is an essential ingredient in solving problems.
Except that it is.
"self experience" doesn't teach us about germs, relativity, quantum mechanics, plate tectonics, nuclear forces, electro magnetism, chemistry,... etc.
All of these things fall "outside" our day-to-day experience.
We live at the macroscopic level and deal with sub-light speeds. Sub-sound speeds, actually.
Mere "self-experience" will not lead us to understand the weirdness that is caused by objects approaching light speed.
Process that take millions of years to unfold are also completely out-of-touch with what we "intuitively" know and understand. We are comfortable thinking about decades. Perhaps centuries. Millenia, is a lot harder. Millions of years, billions of years... we can't fathom what such timespans are.
Being macroscopic objects traveling at sub-sound speeds, we also are only "in touch" with the G forces we experience here on earth. We can't fathom the force of gravity at a black hole or a giant star. We also can't fathom being an insect, where gravity is actually rather neglectable and where surface tension is actually what matters, in terms of "not falling down".
No, we most definatly learn about the natural world through science, not by merely being alive.
It is an empirical enterprise and it is the single most succesfull method available to us at this time.
Nore does it have to. Which is why I added "just to satisfy our human curiosity". Knowledge is its own reward, if not anything else.
Same thing.
I agree,when I take my car to the garage I don't want them using their knowledge of how the car works to fix my car
If my appendix plays up and I have to go into hospital I want the doctors and nurses to spend their time praying by my bedside, I don't want them using using their knowledge of the human body to sort out my problem.
Evolution is not a matter of opinion it is a fact.
Not so.
That potential to be crippled by disease has dropped significantly.
Due to medical science.
Evolution is not a matter of opinion it is a fact.
I am not the one basing their words on the unstated proposition that "systematic investigation of the natural world" produces information which is substantially meaningful in relation to alleviating the problems of mankind. You are asking me to provide evidence for a negative. This is like a theist demanding you show evidence that God doesn't exist. No offence, but it shows you have little to no understanding of the nature of a discussion such as this.
The rest of your post was more emotion-based rhetoric in which I have as much interest in listening to as I have in listening to, "super preachers" speaking emotion-based rheotic from the pulpits without bringing to light a shred of evidence to support their preaching.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
What is a more powerful delusion in these days than the theory of evolution, the age of the earth, and all things that stemmed forth from these theories to create the current secular ways of thinking?
Scripture says in the end times there will be a strong delusion sent by God purposely so that unbelievers and unrighteous people will believe a lie.
Now I don't believe evolution and such are all that will be put forth. There will be more to come that will be added to those theories. I also don't believe it's saying that all who believe in the current theories put forth are damned - no, I see it as saying that the final theory will be put forth will be a "believe or don't" type of thing, aligning with most likely the mark of the beast and things of that nature.
I don't see how evolution and age of the earth and other like-minded theories cannot be a part of it really. They're too powerful, too well-known, too believed.
It seems as though there will be final separation. Those who believe the lie, the goats, and those who believe the truth, the sheep. And it appears evolution is a big factor in this separation.
Thoughts?
Have you heard of Polio?Please provide evidence for your claim, otherwise it is simply hearsay.
Not necessary, since new diseases don't pop up because old diseases are cured or treated. Even if the rate of death due to disease stayed constant or even rose, despite us curing what we have, it would be worse if we hadn't cured what we have. So curing a disease is always a good thing no matter what the rate of death due to disease is.Please provide evidence for your claim, otherwise it is simply hearsay. Evidence such as, statistic information regarding elimination of old disease in relation to introduction of new disease which would demonstrate a statistic "drop".
Please provide evidence for your claim, otherwise it is simply hearsay. Evidence such as, statistic information regarding elimination of old disease in relation to introduction of new disease which would demonstrate a statistic "drop".
Without the production of some sort of evidence to back your claim, I will unfortunately have to regard forthcoming comments as emotion-based rhetoric which requires no rebuttal.
Though, again, I would maintain that the potential to be crippled by disease has not dropped significantly in relation to mankind's alleviation of being "subject to crippling/deadly diease." Try to find a study which shows how many people suffered from crippling'deadly diseases 200 years ago, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago, etc. If your claim is correct we should see diminishing numbers. If the numbers remain the same, we will know you are preaching nonsense.
But I can also state that, again, no one cares or acknowledges diseases that don't exist as being a significant alleviation of the dieases that people actually do suffer.
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