Evolution is a lie

[Lion Hearted Man]

Evolution explains mutation, change, but doesn't explain origins.

Yeah. No one said evolution explained the "origin of life". Evolution explains how life changes. The origin of life is the field of abiogenesis.

Historically speaking, Christians & Jews have contributed to science, medicine, inventions, technology, & discovery since the dawn of time: we don't realize how indebted we really are to them.

And during the Islamic Golden Age, Muslims made some amazing progress in math and science. Doesn't mean Islam is true.

Science in the medieval Islamic world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution is like driving in a car.

Ya -- from Boston to L.A., down a road that has maybe one yard of pavement.

The rest is missing, but we're expected to take it on faith that it was there at one time.

 

[Cabal]

But truth be told, evolutionists now describe the beginning of the universe as a 'big expansion,' not a 'big bang.'

But since scientists don't like to change some of their terminology -- (it makes them look bad) -- they still call it the 'Big Bang.'

So we did change our terminology - and then we didn't?

At what point did you think about what you were typing?

(Incidentally, it wasn't the terminology used by supporters of the big bang theory - it was a name coined by its detractors which stuck)

That's why we still have 'flying squirrels,' instead of the more accurate 'gliding squirrels.'

I'm sure even creationists can cope with it.

 

[AV1611VET]

So we did change our terminology - and then we didn't?

Not that I know of.

I mean -- I haven't been to cholerage in years, but I still believe it's called the 'Big Bang theory,' is it not?

I think you guys plutoed 'zero gravity' to 'microgravity,' but that made you look efficacious, not mistaken; so that got the green light.

At what point did you think about what you were typing?

Before I typed it?

(Incidentally, it wasn't the terminology used by supporters of the big bang theory - it was a name coined by its detractors which stuck)

How'd it come to stick? did you guys bring the glue?

 

[Cabal]

Not that I know of.

I mean -- I haven't been to cholerage in years

Oho, you're funny.

I'm not really a cHURRRRRRRRchgoer myself.

but I still believe it's called the 'Big Bang theory,' is it not?

Generally speaking, yes. Technical name is the lambda-CDM standard model.

I think you guys plutoed 'zero gravity' to 'microgravity,' but that made you look efficacious, not mistaken; so that got the green light.

It was never a mistake. Gravity is effectively zero in certain environments.

No need to be so literalist.

Before I typed it?

Apparently not due to that obvious contradiction you made.

How'd it come to stick? did you guys bring the glue?

Sometimes even ignoramuses get lucky.

 

[And-U-Say]

Where evolving is claimed to extend beyond starting with the created kinds, it is a lie. Yes, evolving happened. It happened to created kinds and all within a YEC time frame. The usual connotation and meaning of 'evolution' goes way beyond this.

No proof exists for Granny Bacteria mother of all living.

Disprove evolution and you get a Nobel Prize. The committee is waiting for your wisdom, if any.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Disprove evolution and you get a Nobel Prize. The committee is waiting for your wisdom, if any.

I'd love to see dad try to submit his "different state past" poster to a scientific meeting

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you think communicating via a scraped rock medium is science?

The application of a good grade of pigment to the wall of a cave may well have taken years to perfect. In a real world scientific kind of way. Finding a good parchment process was a matter of trial and error much like Thomas Edison's work.

 

[SkyWriting]

Who are the "they that disagree"? I'm sure you would mind backing that up with source.

These that follow are not the same theory:



^ Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould, 1972. "Punctuated equilibria: an alternative to phyletic gradualism " In T.J.M. Schopf, ed., Models in Paleobiology. San Francisco: Freeman Cooper. pp. 82–115. Reprinted in N. Eldredge Time frames. Princeton: Princeton Univ. Press. 1985
^ Gould SJ (1994). "Tempo and mode in the macroevolutionary reconstruction of Darwinism" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 91 (15): 6764–71. Bibcode 1994PNAS...91.6764G . doi:10.1073/pnas.91.15.6764 . PMC 44281 . PMID 8041695 .
^ Pollock DD, Eisen JA, Doggett NA, Cummings MP (1 December 2000). "A case for evolutionary genomics and the comprehensive examination of sequence biodiversity" . Mol. Biol. Evol. 17 (12): 1776–88. PMID 11110893 .
^ Koonin EV (2005). "Orthologs, paralogs, and evolutionary genomics". Annu. Rev. Genet. 39: 309–38. doi:10.1146/annurev.genet.39.073003.114725 . PMID 16285863 .
^ Hegarty MJ, Hiscock SJ (2005). "Hybrid speciation in plants: new insights from molecular studies". New Phytol. 165 (2): 411–23. doi:10.1111/j.1469-8137.2004.01253.x . PMID 15720652 .
^ Woese C, Kandler O, Wheelis M (1990). "Towards a natural system of organisms: proposal for the domains Archaea, Bacteria, and Eucarya" . Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 87 (12): 4576–79. Bibcode 1990PNAS...87.4576W . doi:10.1073/pnas.87.12.4576 . PMC 54159 . PMID 2112744 .
^ Medina M (2005). "Genomes, phylogeny, and evolutionary systems biology" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 102 Suppl 1 (Suppl 1): 6630–5. Bibcode 2005PNAS..102.6630M . doi:10.1073/pnas.0501984102 . PMC 1131869 . PMID 15851668 .
^ Benner SA, Sismour AM (2005). "Synthetic biology". Nat. Rev. Genet. 6 (7): 533–43. doi:10.1038/nrg1637 . PMID 15995697 .
^ Gevers D, Cohan FM, Lawrence JG, et al. (2005). "Opinion: Re-evaluating prokaryotic species". Nat. Rev. Microbiol. 3 (9): 733–9. doi:10.1038/nrmicro1236 . PMID 16138101 .
^ Coenye T, Gevers D, Van de Peer Y, Vandamme P, Swings J (2005). "Towards a prokaryotic genomic taxonomy". FEMS Microbiol. Rev. 29 (2): 147–67. doi:10.1016/j.femsre.2004.11.004 . PMID 15808739 .
^ Whitman W, Coleman D, Wiebe W (1998). "Prokaryotes: The unseen majority" . Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 95 (12): 6578–83. Bibcode 1998PNAS...95.6578W . doi:10.1073/pnas.95.12.6578 . PMC 33863 . PMID 9618454 .
^ Schloss P, Handelsman J (2004). "Status of the Microbial Census" . Microbiol Mol Biol Rev 68 (4): 686–91. doi:10.1128/MMBR.68.4.686-691.2004 . PMC 539005 . PMID 15590780 .
^ Ochiai K, Yamanaka T, Kimura K Sawada O (1959). "Inheritance of drug resistance (and its transfer) between Shigella strains and Between Shigella and E.coli strains". Hihon Iji Shimpor 1861: 34. (in Japanese)
^ "Lateral gene transfer and the nature of bacterial innovation" (PDF). Nature Vol 405, May 18, 2000. Retrieved 2007-09-01.
^ de la Cruz F, Davies J (2000). "Horizontal gene transfer and the origin of species: lessons from bacteria". Trends Microbiol. 8 (3): 128–33. doi:10.1016/S0966-842X(00)01703-0 . PMID 10707066 .
^ Kunin V, Goldovsky L, Darzentas N, Ouzounis CA (2005). "The net of life: Reconstructing the microbial phylogenetic network" . Genome Res. 15 (7): 954–9. doi:10.1101/gr.3666505 . PMC 1172039 . PMID 15965028 .
^ Doolittle WF, Bapteste E (February 2007). "Pattern pluralism and the Tree of Life hypothesis" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 104 (7): 2043–9. Bibcode 2007PNAS..104.2043D . doi:10.1073/pnas.0610699104 . PMC 1892968 . PMID 17261804 .
^ Poole A, Penny D (2007). "Evaluating hypotheses for the origin of eukaryotes". Bioessays 29 (1): 74–84. doi:10.1002/bies.20516 . PMID 17187354 .
^ Dyall S, Brown M, Johnson P (2004). "Ancient invasions: from endosymbionts to organelles". Science 304 (5668): 253–7. Bibcode 2004Sci...304..253D . doi:10.1126/science.1094884 . PMID 15073369 .
^ "Endosymbiosis: Lynn Margulis" . University of California Berkely. Retrieved 2010-02-20.
^ Gould SJ (1997). "The exaptive excellence of spandrels as a term and prototype" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 94 (20): 10750–5. Bibcode 1997PNAS...9410750G . doi:10.1073/pnas.94.20.10750 . PMC 23474 . PMID 11038582 .
^ Gould SJ and Vrba ES (1982). "Exaptation—a missing term in the science of form". Paleobiology 8 (1): 4–15.
^ True JR, Carroll SB (2002). "Gene co-option in physiological and morphological evolution". Annu. Rev. Cell Dev. Biol. 18: 53–80. doi:10.1146/annurev.cellbio.18.020402.140619 . PMID 12142278 .
^ Cañestro C, Yokoi H, Postlethwait JH (2007). "Evolutionary developmental biology and genomics". Nat Rev Genet 8 (12): 932–942. doi:10.1038/nrg2226 . PMID 18007650 .
^ Baguñà J, Garcia-Fernàndez J (2003). "Evo-Devo: the long and winding road" . Int. J. Dev. Biol. 47 (7–8): 705–13. PMID 14756346 .
*Gilbert SF (2003). "The morphogenesis of evolutionary developmental biology". Int. J. Dev. Biol. 47 (7–8): 467–77. PMID 14756322 .
^ Erwin, Douglas H. (2000). "Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution". Evolution & Development 2 (2): 78–84. doi:10.1046/j.1525-142x.2000.00045.x .
^ Newman SA, Müller GB (2000). "Epigenetic mechanisms of character origination". J. Exp. Zool. B Mol. Develop. Evol. 288 (4): 304–317. doi:10.1002/1097-010X(20001215)288:4<304::AID-JEZ3>3.0.CO;2-G .

 

[CabVet]

These that follow are not the same theory:

^ Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould, 1972. "Punctuated equilibria: an alternative to phyletic gradualism " In T.J.M. Schopf, ed., Models in Paleobiology. San Francisco: Freeman Cooper. pp. 82–115. Reprinted in N. Eldredge Time frames. Princeton: Princeton Univ. Press. 1985
^ Gould SJ (1994). "Tempo and mode in the macroevolutionary reconstruction of Darwinism" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 91 (15): 6764–71. Bibcode 1994PNAS...91.6764G . doi:10.1073/pnas.91.15.6764 . PMC 44281 . PMID 8041695 .
^ Pollock DD, Eisen JA, Doggett NA, Cummings MP (1 December 2000). "A case for evolutionary genomics and the comprehensive examination of sequence biodiversity" . Mol. Biol. Evol. 17 (12): 1776–88. PMID 11110893 .
^ Koonin EV (2005). "Orthologs, paralogs, and evolutionary genomics". Annu. Rev. Genet. 39: 309–38. doi:10.1146/annurev.genet.39.073003.114725 . PMID 16285863 .
^ Hegarty MJ, Hiscock SJ (2005). "Hybrid speciation in plants: new insights from molecular studies". New Phytol. 165 (2): 411–23. doi:10.1111/j.1469-8137.2004.01253.x . PMID 15720652 .
^ Woese C, Kandler O, Wheelis M (1990). "Towards a natural system of organisms: proposal for the domains Archaea, Bacteria, and Eucarya" . Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 87 (12): 4576–79. Bibcode 1990PNAS...87.4576W . doi:10.1073/pnas.87.12.4576 . PMC 54159 . PMID 2112744 .
^ Medina M (2005). "Genomes, phylogeny, and evolutionary systems biology" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 102 Suppl 1 (Suppl 1): 6630–5. Bibcode 2005PNAS..102.6630M . doi:10.1073/pnas.0501984102 . PMC 1131869 . PMID 15851668 .
^ Benner SA, Sismour AM (2005). "Synthetic biology". Nat. Rev. Genet. 6 (7): 533–43. doi:10.1038/nrg1637 . PMID 15995697 .
^ Gevers D, Cohan FM, Lawrence JG, et al. (2005). "Opinion: Re-evaluating prokaryotic species". Nat. Rev. Microbiol. 3 (9): 733–9. doi:10.1038/nrmicro1236 . PMID 16138101 .
^ Coenye T, Gevers D, Van de Peer Y, Vandamme P, Swings J (2005). "Towards a prokaryotic genomic taxonomy". FEMS Microbiol. Rev. 29 (2): 147–67. doi:10.1016/j.femsre.2004.11.004 . PMID 15808739 .
^ Whitman W, Coleman D, Wiebe W (1998). "Prokaryotes: The unseen majority" . Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 95 (12): 6578–83. Bibcode 1998PNAS...95.6578W . doi:10.1073/pnas.95.12.6578 . PMC 33863 . PMID 9618454 .
^ Schloss P, Handelsman J (2004). "Status of the Microbial Census" . Microbiol Mol Biol Rev 68 (4): 686–91. doi:10.1128/MMBR.68.4.686-691.2004 . PMC 539005 . PMID 15590780 .
^ Ochiai K, Yamanaka T, Kimura K Sawada O (1959). "Inheritance of drug resistance (and its transfer) between Shigella strains and Between Shigella and E.coli strains". Hihon Iji Shimpor 1861: 34. (in Japanese)
^ "Lateral gene transfer and the nature of bacterial innovation" (PDF). Nature Vol 405, May 18, 2000. Retrieved 2007-09-01.
^ de la Cruz F, Davies J (2000). "Horizontal gene transfer and the origin of species: lessons from bacteria". Trends Microbiol. 8 (3): 128–33. doi:10.1016/S0966-842X(00)01703-0 . PMID 10707066 .
^ Kunin V, Goldovsky L, Darzentas N, Ouzounis CA (2005). "The net of life: Reconstructing the microbial phylogenetic network" . Genome Res. 15 (7): 954–9. doi:10.1101/gr.3666505 . PMC 1172039 . PMID 15965028 .
^ Doolittle WF, Bapteste E (February 2007). "Pattern pluralism and the Tree of Life hypothesis" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 104 (7): 2043–9. Bibcode 2007PNAS..104.2043D . doi:10.1073/pnas.0610699104 . PMC 1892968 . PMID 17261804 .
^ Poole A, Penny D (2007). "Evaluating hypotheses for the origin of eukaryotes". Bioessays 29 (1): 74–84. doi:10.1002/bies.20516 . PMID 17187354 .
^ Dyall S, Brown M, Johnson P (2004). "Ancient invasions: from endosymbionts to organelles". Science 304 (5668): 253–7. Bibcode 2004Sci...304..253D . doi:10.1126/science.1094884 . PMID 15073369 .
^ "Endosymbiosis: Lynn Margulis" . University of California Berkely. Retrieved 2010-02-20.
^ Gould SJ (1997). "The exaptive excellence of spandrels as a term and prototype" . Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 94 (20): 10750–5. Bibcode 1997PNAS...9410750G . doi:10.1073/pnas.94.20.10750 . PMC 23474 . PMID 11038582 .
^ Gould SJ and Vrba ES (1982). "Exaptation—a missing term in the science of form". Paleobiology 8 (1): 4–15.
^ True JR, Carroll SB (2002). "Gene co-option in physiological and morphological evolution". Annu. Rev. Cell Dev. Biol. 18: 53–80. doi:10.1146/annurev.cellbio.18.020402.140619 . PMID 12142278 .
^ Cañestro C, Yokoi H, Postlethwait JH (2007). "Evolutionary developmental biology and genomics". Nat Rev Genet 8 (12): 932–942. doi:10.1038/nrg2226 . PMID 18007650 .
^ Baguñà J, Garcia-Fernàndez J (2003). "Evo-Devo: the long and winding road" . Int. J. Dev. Biol. 47 (7–8): 705–13. PMID 14756346 .
*Gilbert SF (2003). "The morphogenesis of evolutionary developmental biology". Int. J. Dev. Biol. 47 (7–8): 467–77. PMID 14756322 .
^ Erwin, Douglas H. (2000). "Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution". Evolution & Development 2 (2): 78–84. doi:10.1046/j.1525-142x.2000.00045.x .
^ Newman SA, Müller GB (2000). "Epigenetic mechanisms of character origination". J. Exp. Zool. B Mol. Develop. Evol. 288 (4): 304–317. doi:10.1002/1097-010X(20001215)288:4<304::AID-JEZ3>3.0.CO;2-G .

Interestingly enough, every single one of the authors above not only agree that evolution did happen, but also that it is the process that gave rise to the human species.

 

[JoeyArnold]

Go on....

Evolution is like a car but who made the car?

 

[Jazer]

Evolution is like a car but who made the car?

They says we are star stuff, that a lot of the elements that make up people come from a star. Every element burns at a different color. So they can look at the light from a star and see what elements make up that star. The older the star the more complex the elements are that makes up that star. Brian Cox has some videos on youtube that explains this subject.

 

[rikerjoe]

Evolution is like driving in a car.

Evolution is like a car but who made the car?

Confused much? You need to focus.....

 

[rikerjoe]

Evolution is like a car but who made the car?

Invalid question. Evolution is a process, not a thing.

 

[JoeyArnold]

Invalid question. Evolution is a process, not a thing.

Evolution is a car but who made the car? In other words, who started the process?

 

[JoeyArnold]

They says we are star stuff, that a lot of the elements that make up people come from a star. Every element burns at a different color. So they can look at the light from a star and see what elements make up that star. The older the star the more complex the elements are that makes up that star. Brian Cox has some videos on youtube that explains this subject.

That explains stars & things, but doesn't explains origins.

 

[Non sequitur]

Oho, you're funny.

I'm not really a cHURRRRRRRRchgoer myself.

Ha!

I got that.

 

[Non sequitur]

That explains stars & things, but doesn't explains origins.

This is my problem with evolution.

It doesn't explain origins.

 

[CabVet]

This is my problem with evolution.

It doesn't explain origins.

It doesn't explain gravity either.

 

[Non sequitur]

It doesn't explain gravity either.

Ha!

"Gravity"

*chuckles*

Now I know you are making up words...