Evolution is a Lie

[DrkSdBls]

No, you can't do that. You can't simply cling to a same state belief, and call it science. You are on your own.

Ironic. Just, no other word for it...

Science is Science. Doesn't matter how much you deny it. you only make yourself look the Fool here.

Every state which a rock existed!!!?? Funny. Example?

For example: We can measure radioactive decay in Solid matter.

Now a question. Did Radioactive Decay exist in your Pre-Split Reality?

Yes we know that a sacred record exists and was verified by witnesses.

Correction. We have a Book with unverified Claims with unverified People who give Unverified Eyewitness Accounts of Differing Claims.

It was just claimed that the state was the same and could be
proven so in bible days, no? So do it.

Actually, the Question was what did they have to do with the topic.

But lets go with with that.

Adam:
Created From Dust and Eve Created from his Rib. Now, unless you postulate that, In your pre-split Reality, every Man was like-wise born from the Dust of the Earth and every woman since Created from a Man's Rib up until your "split" Hypothesis, then the Creation of Adam and Eve the Exception to the norm and as such is the Miracle.

Noah:
Noah managed to build a Sophisticated Technological Marvel out of cheap Wood and Pitch in the desert during the Early Bronze age when no Knowledge of such Technology Existed. Was that Normal during your "Pre-split" Reality? If not, then you must confess that it required a Miracle, which defines it as an Exception to the norm.

The Bible goes on and on about descriptions about the common daily lives of human beings that in no way reflect anything that could be described as your "Pre-Split" universe. In fact, that is about the only that does reflect the natural "Same State" History that Archeologists are learning everyday by studying our History; the same Evidence that you dismiss as irrelevant and it's the only evidence that could (liberally) used to support the bible, even if only its Cultural foundation.

The bible has no evidence of the "Different State" that you claim. Rather, it portrays History exactly as we would expect based on our "Same State Bias" (just Minus the Miracles.)

We have no Evidence of any Miracles. But we do have Evidence of History. No split Evidenced ..

 

[AV1611VET]

We have no Evidence of any Miracles. But we do have Evidence of History. No split Evidenced ..

You have all of history mapped out, do you?

 

[dad]

Ironic. Just, no other word for it...

Science is Science. Doesn't matter how much you deny it. you only make yourself look the Fool here.

he is no fool that acknowledge the present state life we now live cannot be proven to exist in the future or far past.

For example: We can measure radioactive decay in Solid matter.

So? Stuff decays in this state, no news there??

Now a question. Did Radioactive Decay exist in your Pre-Split Reality?

I doubt it. Why? You want to attribute the daughter material to decay?

Correction. We have a Book with unverified Claims with unverified People who give Unverified Eyewitness Accounts of Differing Claims.

Why interject science now??

Adam:
Created From Dust and Eve Created from his Rib. Now, unless you postulate that, In your pre-split Reality, every Man was like-wise born from the Dust of the Earth and every woman since Created from a Man's Rib up until your "split" Hypothesis, then the Creation of Adam and Eve the Exception to the norm and as such is the Miracle.

Foolishness. Eve bore the kids, (and others later) try reading it sometime.

Noah:
Noah managed to build a Sophisticated Technological Marvel out of cheap Wood and Pitch in the desert during the Early Bronze age when no Knowledge of such Technology Existed. Was that Normal during your "Pre-split" Reality? If not, then you must confess that it required a Miracle, which defines it as an Exception to the norm.

God designed it, and Noah was told how to do it.

The Bible goes on and on about descriptions about the common daily lives of human beings that in no way reflect anything that could be described as your "Pre-Split" universe. In fact, that is about the only that does reflect the natural "Same State" History that Archeologists are learning everyday by studying our History; the same Evidence that you dismiss as irrelevant and it's the only evidence that could (liberally) used to support the bible, even if only its Cultural foundation.

Example???

We have no Evidence of any Miracles.

Well we do.

 

[DrkSdBls]

he is no fool that acknowledge the present state life we now live cannot be proven to exist in the future or far past.

But he who refuses to acknowledge that Reality can only be acknowledged to be constant whether in the past, present or future without Evidence to the contrary is the Fool.

So? Stuff decays in this state, no news there?? I doubt it. Why? You want to attribute the daughter material to decay?

Not quite.

So, assuming that Radioactive decay only began after the Split, we should be able to observe Radioactive Decay up to, and thus Measure, exactly when you're so called "Split" occurred. In this manner, we would thus have Evidence of your Claim, Yet we find none (big surprise.)

Unless you'd Claim that the occurrence of your "split" caused a reaction in matter that existed in the prior "state" to cause Radioactive decay to read as older then it really is in this "state".

But you can't claim that because it contradicts your previous Claim that the Split left no perceivable Evidence on this Physical State.

So, which one is it? Either we can Measure a Constant Rate of Radioactive decay back to the Point that it began or we would see an irregular rate of decay caused by matter being "Split" from one state to another.

Why interject science now??

Probably the same reason you can't Interject science Ever!!.

But if you're going to give us a book to go by, you should at least choose one a little more interesting.

I liked the one that told how the Earth use to be a Flat Disc being carried on the Back of a Giant Space Turtle before the Great(ly inept) Wizard Rincewind Spoke the great 8th Spell and the Earth and the Heavens remade themselves into the Solar System that we know today.

Now, that Made for some great reading!

Foolishness. Eve bore the kids, (and others later)

And once again, you completely failed to understand my point, much less counter it.

Eve BORE Children. But Eve was Born out of an very unnatural Process, while her Children were born by the same Biological Process then as Children are today yet she was an Exception.

Again, Adam and Eve were the Miracle that defied the same natural Process that was no different then today.

Child Birth in the Past = Child Birth in the Present.
That's one "Law" that has been proven to be the same in both "States."
Care to post some more?

try reading it sometime.

I have. Maybe you should.

God designed it, and Noah was told how to do it.

Yet, the "design" was not carried over into the Bible as it can not be duplicated. The "Miracle" here here was that it didn't sink.

But never-the-less, Noah managed inhuman feats constantly throughout his little adventure, including (but not limited to) compression some hundred million animals into a vessel that would of been the size of a small town, Gathering the Materials for said vessel, constructing said Vessel with little or no help, all the while Warning the countryside of the Eminent Flood....Etc.

Anyway, Got off track...
Every Occurrence leading up to the Flood and throughout the Flood were defined as miracles sense nothing Noah did could of been accomplished without Divine Help every step alone the way. Nothing.

Example???

All of History. We have centuries worth of Archeological Finds from every Corner of the Globe telling us in detail of the Life of everyday man. None of it can be Trumped by you.

Well we do.

If you had any, you would have provided it already. Now, you're just getting Predictable.

 

[dad]

But he who refuses to acknowledge that Reality can only be acknowledged to be constant whether in the past, present or future without Evidence to the contrary is the Fool.

How would you know? Think first before calling names. You don't know.

So, assuming that Radioactive decay only began after the Split, we should be able to observe Radioactive Decay up to, and thus Measure, exactly when you're so called "Split" occurred. In this manner, we would thus have Evidence of your Claim, Yet we find none (big surprise.)

Nope! Because the WAY we measure it is by the daughter material etc. That cannot tell us when the change occurred. That just tells us how much is here.

Unless you'd Claim that the occurrence of your "split" caused a reaction in matter that existed in the prior "state" to cause Radioactive decay to read as older then it really is in this "state".

No. The way you think you read older is the problem.

But you can't claim that because it contradicts your previous Claim that the Split left no perceivable Evidence on this Physical State.

Since I don't....no worries.

oo, no surprise there.
So, which one is it? Either we can Measure a Constant Rate of Radioactive decay back to the Point that it began or we would see an irregular rate of decay caused by matter being "Split" from one state to another.

Neither. You can't measure squat. The way you think you measure is to look at what now happens in this state (decay) -- and assign this as the reason for all that exists.

I liked the one that told how the Earth use to be a Flat Disc being carried on the Back of a Giant Space Turtle before the Great(ly inept) Wizard Rincewind Spoke the great 8th Spell and the Earth and the Heavens remade themselves into the Solar System that we know today.

Since you like science too--no surprise there.

Eve BORE Children. But Eve was Born out of an very unnatural Process, while her Children were born by the same Biological Process then as Children are today yet she was an Exception.

Says...who? How long was the gestation period for Eve? 3 months? You doo not know. Why include her in your so called 'natural'??

Again, Adam and Eve were the Miracle that defied the same natural Process that was no different then today.

Says who?? You have no idea.

Child Birth in the Past = Child Birth in the Present.
That's one "Law" that has been proven to be the same in both "States."
Care to post some more?

False. You do not know the details of birth and gestation then.

Yet, the "design" was not carried over into the Bible as it can not be duplicated. The "Miracle" here here was that it didn't sink.

It was a one shot deal. Never again will it be needed.

But never-the-less, Noah managed inhuman feats constantly throughout his little adventure, including (but not limited to) compression some hundred million animals into a vessel that would of been the size of a small town,

False. With hyper evolution in place only a relative few kinds are needed on the ark.

Gathering the Materials for said vessel, constructing said Vessel with little or no help, all the while Warning the countryside of the Eminent Flood....Etc.

?? Who says materials were a problem??

Anyway, Got off track...
Every Occurrence leading up to the Flood and throughout the Flood were defined as miracles sense nothing Noah did could of been accomplished without Divine Help every step alone the way. Nothing.

False. If the nature of the day was different, then no how many miracles were needed to make it different??

All of History. We have centuries worth of Archeological Finds from every Corner of the Globe telling us in detail of the Life of everyday man. None of it can be Trumped by you.

That is all post flood. You are trumped somethin fierce.

 

[wensdee]

You're living in a world of dreams dad or are they nightmares?

 

[dad]

You're living in a world of dreams dad or are they nightmares?

Neither. I deal in reality and fact.

 

[wensdee]

Neither. I deal in reality and fact.

Of course you do.

 

[rjc34]

Neither. I deal in reality and fact.

I feel like you'd be better off trying your hand in stocks and bonds.

 

[dad]

I feel like you'd be better off trying your hand in stocks and bonds.

OK. Keep us posted on your feelings.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Neither. I deal in reality and fact.

 

[AirPo]

Neither. I deal in reality and fact.

Well of course you do, by the 4th law of the HI Theory.

4. Reality, by defination, is consistant with any and all postulations of the HI Theory.

 

[Delphiki]

Neither. I deal in reality and fact.

Well, if that's the case you should have no problem backing your claims with verifiable physical evidence. Please, go on.

 

[dad]

Well, if that's the case you should have no problem backing your claims with verifiable physical evidence. Please, go on.

The dreaded SS (same state) thugs that have been forcing the idea on kids that the future and past consist of what the present state does, with it's decay and death, have no physical evidence for such claims.

Therefore, the reasoned approach is to admit it is unknown, and look at the records of observers and the records from as close to the dawn of history as possible. Using this sensible approach, is overdue.

 

[Koizito]

The dreaded SS (same state) thugs that have been forcing the idea on kids that the future and past consist of what the present state does, with it's decay and death, have no physical evidence for such claims.

Therefore, the reasoned approach is to admit it is unknown, and look at the records of observers and the records from as close to the dawn of history as possible. Using this sensible approach, is overdue.

Let's make it simple, dad: If the natural laws changed, what caused them to change and what proof do you have to back up that claim?

 

[AirPo]

The dreaded SS (same state) thugs that have been forcing the idea on kids that the future and past consist of what the present state does, with it's decay and death, have no physical evidence for such claims.

Therefore, the reasoned approach is to admit it is unknown, and look at the records of observers and the records from as close to the dawn of history as possible. Using this sensible approach, is overdue.

It's easy to make things up.

 

[sandwiches]

Let's make it simple, dad: If the natural laws changed, what caused them to change and what proof do you have to back up that claim?

His interpretation of the Bible.

 

[dad]

Let's make it simple, dad: If the natural laws changed, what caused them to change and what proof do you have to back up that claim?

Let's make it simple, Koizito: If the natural laws never changed, what proof do you have to back up that claim?

Answer: You do not know. Ancient records and the bible tell us it was different. So you have no decay in the past we know about to date stuff.

 

[dad]

Well of course you do,

Looks like the thread is near the 1000 mark. In summary, no proof of the present state existing in the past exists, and science is dead wrong, and God was right after all.

 

[dad]

I win.