Evolution is a Lie

[Gracchus]

Don't confuse an avatar with reality.

But it is perfectly OK to confuse a quixotic interpretation of iron-age mythology with reality?

 

[Tomatoman]

The spiritual does not need present state jets. Leave that for your Buzz Lighyear. Of course stars exist. I jjust would like proof that they exist within our space and time. If so...fine. You see I am not one that makes big claims like I know.

You really are completely off your [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

 

[wensdee]

For the record dad is this you're first or second visit to earth?

Don't confuse an avatar with reality.

I didn't even notice your avatar, I was talking to you because you are obviously not from earth.

 

[DrkSdBls]

False. Seeing part of the picture is fine, but forming a universe out of that shred is another matter.. the part you miss is the spiritual, so no picture can be gotten with your bit.

When it's all we got, it's all we got.

You have something worth showing us that shows us more? show us.

Put up or Shut up.

How does that work?? Ghosts exist but I don't?? Strange.[/quote]

I don't deny you exist. I just don't believe you're real.

Anyone that speaks from the autority of a solid biblical case speaks with authority. I am not too modest to admit it!

The authority you claim to speak for is not recognized as an Authority at all. To be recognized as a legitimate Authority, one must have something to stand on, by Validated, and basically acknowledged to even Exists!

Then, we can discussing the Validity of your appeals to Authority.

So, either way dad, you've Failed.
Failed as a Poe.
Failed as a Creationist.
Just overall Failed the entire Internet.

So, Good Night Sir!

 

[AV1611VET]

So, either way dad, you've Failed.
Failed as a Poe.
Failed as a Creationist.
Just overall Failed the entire Internet.

And don't even think of going to Hell, dad -- you failed the admission test there too!

So good day, sir!

 

[dad]

When it's all we got, it's all we got.

Then act like it.

You have something worth showing us that shows us more? show us.

The past is long gone. You'll have to lean on the records.

I don't deny you exist. I just don't believe you're real.

Your name Thomas?

The authority you claim to speak for is not recognized as an Authority at all. To be recognized as a legitimate Authority, one must have something to stand on, by Validated, and basically acknowledged to even Exists!

We have God's validated word to stand on.

So, either way dad, you've Failed.
Failed as a Poe.
Failed as a Creationist.
Just overall Failed the entire Internet.

So, Good Night Sir!

Sleep it off.

 

[rjc34]

We have God's validated word to stand on.

Validated by who, you?

 

[DrkSdBls]

And don't even think of going to Hell, dad -- you failed the admission test there too!

So good day, sir!

I'd almost say not even Hell Wants him.... But they're obligated. He's done so much to further their cause.

Then act like it.

Slipped another Screw dad?

The past is long gone. You'll have to lean on the records.

We do. They're in the Earth, in the Animals, in the Water. We have them. We study them. We learn from them.

No matter how much you deny it, they don't lie to us.

Your name Thomas?

Kami, actually.

We have God's validated word to stand on.

So...... Nothing then?

I'm afraid you failed to prove your point once again.

Sleep it off.

You first. You need it a lot more then I do.

 

[Naraoia]

Kami, actually.

Kami as in Shinto deity?

 

[dad]

We do. They're in the Earth, in the Animals, in the Water. We have them. We study them. We learn from them.

No matter how much you deny it, they don't lie to us.

They talk to you? Funny the earth never told me to hug a tree, or that creation was not real.

 

[rjc34]

They talk to you? Funny the earth never told me to hug a tree, or that creation was not real.

The records don't lie. But nice try at being funny.

 

[AirPo]

Too bad you can't show us a solid bible case that would support that little gush.

That's because that little gush is supported by a weird dad invented science fiction fantasy version of the bible.

 

[dad]

That's because that little gush is supported by a weird dad invented science fiction fantasy version of the bible.

Explain?

 

[dad]

The records don't lie. But nice try at being funny.

Let's look at a few records then. There is rocks. They do not tell us anything different than God's creation. There is mankind. We do not even know about creation, save by God's word. There are laws....we do not even know why or what they really are in many cases, let alone how they were or were not long before our records began.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Let's look at a few records then. There is rocks. They do not tell us anything different than God's creation.

Indeed though they do not exempt creation as their origins, they also show no evidence of it either. You can not use rocks as evidence of your position without them showing some form evidence that they existed in some "differate state" as you claim. If such a state existed, i'd dare say that rocks would have retained the most telling evidence of the state.

But they don't so you fail.

There is mankind. We do not even know about creation, save by God's word.

Not evidence of its validity.

There are laws....we do not even know why or what they really are in many cases, let alone how they were or were not long before our records began.

But the laws of physics that we do know leave evidence. We have the evidence, you do not.

But even if I were to humor you and turn to the bible, I can show you that the people of that day lived by the same laws as you and I do today and the every example of any miracle listed in the bible were EXCEPTIONS to the laws, not principles of those laws. In fact, they would have to be in order to called miracles!

Sorry but the bible disproves your "different state" hypothesis.

 

[dad]

Indeed though they do not exempt creation as their origins, they also show no evidence of it either. You can not use rocks as evidence of your position without them showing some form evidence that they existed in some "differate state" as you claim. If such a state existed, i'd dare say that rocks would have retained the most telling evidence of the state.

They show no evidence science can perceive. Big difference.

But they don't so you fail.

That is a wrong and strange notion, that rocks would retain something of the former state. Either the laws and forces changed...or not. If so, then rocks exist here in this state, and operate by our rules now.

Not evidence of its validity.

Yes, because the rest of the word is tried and true and tested, we know that the creation bit is true too.

But the laws of physics that we do know leave evidence. We have the evidence, you do not.

False! The simple existence of the present state does not preclude a former state.

But even if I were to humor you and turn to the bible, I can show you that the people of that day lived by the same laws as you and I do today and the every example of any miracle listed in the bible were EXCEPTIONS to the laws, not principles of those laws. In fact, they would have to be in order to called miracles!

No! Not Adam, or Noah!..??

Bring it....

 

[DrkSdBls]

They show no evidence science can perceive. Big difference.

They also show no signs of being made of suger and sawdust.

So we preclude the idea that they were until evidence is presented that they were. Where is you evidence?

That is a wrong and strange notion, that rocks would retain something of the former state. Either the laws and forces changed...or not. If so, then rocks exist here in this state, and operate by our rules now.

One of the most useful traits that "rocks" retian evidences of every "state" in which it existed. The only way you could argue this is that you claim the rocks' very makeup have been changed.

Where is your evidence?

Yes, because the rest of the word is tried and true and tested, we know that the creation bit is true too.

No, we know no such thing. If it can not be tested, we can not know it. Is this not exactly what you stated earlier in this very thread?

False! The simple existence of the present state does not preclude a former state.

No but lack of evidence does.

No! Not Adam, or Noah!..??

Bring it....

What about them?

 

[Delphiki]

They show no evidence science can perceive. Big difference.

So you admit your different states "idea" is a fairytale! Finally!

That is a wrong and strange notion, that rocks would retain something of the former state. Either the laws and forces changed...or not. If so, then rocks exist here in this state, and operate by our rules now.

If everything else in the universe that could effect the rock throughout history was under the same effects of these changing states to the point that they are completely undetectable, then said changes are completely irrelevant to the physical real universe. Thus, they are still imaginary.

Yes, because the rest of the word is tried and true and tested, we know that the creation bit is true too.

You're contradicting yourself. You just said that the changing states are undetectable and not even testable. In the real world, biblical creation has never been "tried and true and tested". The evidence indicates an otherwise naturalistic universe, with an Earth derived from natural means, and natural time.

False! The simple existence of the present state does not preclude a former state.
No! Not Adam, or Noah!..??

Your former state cannot be detected in any way shape or form. It exists outside the physical universe. There is no evidence for it, and no reason to think a "former state" exists. This is why it's being determined that it is a product of your imagination. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Bring it....

Oh, it's been brought-en

 

[dad]

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So we preclude the idea that they were until evidence is presented that they were.

No, you can't do that. You can't simply cling to a same state belief, and call it science. You are on your own.

One of the most useful traits that "rocks" retian evidences of every "state" in which it existed. The only way you could argue this is that you claim the rocks' very makeup have been changed.

Every state which a rock existed!!!?? Funny. Example?

No, we know no such thing. If it can not be tested, we can not know it. Is this not exactly what you stated earlier in this very thread?

Yes we know that a sacred record exists and was verified by witnesses.

What about them?

It was just claimed that the state was the same and could be proven so in bible days, no? So do it.

 

[dad]

If everything else in the universe that could effect the rock throughout history was under the same effects of these changing states to the point that they are completely undetectable, then said changes are completely irrelevant to the physical real universe. Thus, they are still imaginary.

Makes no sense. If, for example the consistency of what is now rock was different under a different state, we here would not know it, would we? All we have are rocks here in this state.

You're contradicting yourself. You just said that the changing states are undetectable and not even testable. In the real world, biblical creation has never been "tried and true and tested". The evidence indicates an otherwise naturalistic universe, with an Earth derived from natural means, and natural time.

False. The evidence indicates nothing like your claim. The biblical miracles and events, many of them were witnessed. For example, people saw Elijah do stuff, and heard Isiah say stuff, and saw Jesus alive again after they saw Him dead...etc. The laws we are ruled by were danced all over all through history in this state. As far as the pre flood times that we only have a record of.

Your former state cannot be detected in any way shape or form. It exists outside the physical universe. There is no evidence for it, and no reason to think a "former state" exists. This is why it's being determined that it is a product of your imagination. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

It isn't. Like the future, no one in their right mind expects it to be here now in this temporal state.