Evolution is a Lie

[Nathan Poe]

As Paul put it:

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

I like what my pastor says: 'Man isn't smart enough to write the Bible'.

So Paul was a god -- interesting.

 

[AV1611VET]

Strange that it is filled with Man's failings, contradictions, exclusions, inconsistances, etc.

Yup -- the Bible airs the dirty laundry of the people within -- placing their shortcomings right up in the storefront window.

 

[Split Rock]

Yup -- the Bible airs the dirty laundry of the people within -- placing their shortcomings right up in the storefront window.

Ummm.... I meant the writing, not what was written about.. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ummm.... I meant the writing, not what was written about.. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Now, it's even less clear -- but whatever.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Now, it's even less clear -- but whatever.

It's okay, AV -- nobody expects you to be able to see past your pride and joy.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Yup -- the Bible airs the dirty laundry of the people within -- placing their shortcomings right up in the storefront window.

More like, no existing autographs, spelling errors, geographical locations that don't exist, events that never occurred, magical events that defy physical law, some books thrown out, others patched up and used, and blatant flat-out contradictions between the four gospels, for starters.

 

[AV1611VET]

More like, no existing autographs, spelling errors, geographical locations that don't exist, events that never occurred, magical events that defy physical law, some books thrown out, others patched up and used, and blatant flat-out contradictions between the four gospels, for starters.

Sounds like someone's been looking in the wrong window.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Sounds like someone's been looking in the wrong window.

Sounds like somebody locked himself a room without one.

 

[dad]

Have you ever considered trying to support your own arguments instead of just stating your side and trolling? Or is it that you know you have no base?

My argument is that science does not know the state of the past. That is supported in the failure of anyone to show otherwise.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

My argument is that science does not know the state of the past. That is supported in the failure of anyone to show otherwise.

Yes, we understand your argument, and it has been found lacking.

 

[dad]

Yes, we understand your argument, and it has been found lacking.

False. It is clear and irrefutable.

 

[Skaloop]

My argument is that science does not know the state of the past. That is supported in the failure of anyone to show otherwise.

You don't know the state of the past, either. We, however, have multiple lines of evidence pointing to a same-state past. You have nothing but your imagination.

A couple things I have been meaning to ask you, though. If the past state was different, in what ways was it different? When did things change from that state to the current state?

 

[dad]

You don't know the state of the past, either.

No? Says who? Science doesn't tell us. God did.

We, however, have multiple lines of evidence pointing to a same-state past. You have nothing but your imagination.

Zero actually. You first embrace the present state as the key to the past, and then look at evidence that way. Meaningless.

A couple things I have been meaning to ask you, though. If the past state was different, in what ways was it different? When did things change from that state to the current state?

Best I can tell, a little over a century after the flood. The differences seem to involve a spiritual force being part of the mix here. At the moment we operate in a physical only realm.

Just look at heaven, and miracles, to see how drastically the spiritual affects things.

 

[Skaloop]

Best I can tell, a little over a century after the flood. The differences seem to involve a spiritual force being part of the mix here. At the moment we operate in a physical only realm.

Just look at heaven, and miracles, to see how drastically the spiritual affects things.

That doesn't really answer the question. I'm looking for specifics. I'm wondering what was actually different. What was the speed of light? Faster or slower than now? What was the gravitational constant? What about the strong and weak nuclear forces? What about radioactive decay; if it was different, in what way? In what direction; slower or faster? By how much?

 

[Nostromo]

False. It is clear and irrefutable.

Your stories don't make the slightest difference in the real world. The only reason they seem clear to you is because your mind is broken.

I appreciate that from your point of view I couldn't possibly be just some ordinary guy sat at his computer who has a good reason for thinking you talk nonsense. I must be some Satanically deceived corrupter trying to rob you of your place in the big event where you get to laugh at the unbelievers as they burn, or something.

 

[DrkSdBls]

False. It is clear and irrefutable.

..To you alone...

No? Says who? Science doesn't tell us. God did.

No, actually, a book (several hundred different ones in fact) did..... or, at least tried to...... And failed miserably.

Zero actually. You first embrace the present state as the key to the past, and then look at evidence that way. Meaningless.

No, your idea of a Different Past is meaningless.

Why shouldn't we use our understanding of Reality of today as the Key to understanding Reality as a Whole? There is Nothing to tell us that reality was in anyway different from to today then it was Yesterday, a year ago, or a hundred billion years ago.

Unless you show us some kind of Tangible Evidence that Reality worked in any form, he HAVE to Dismiss you and your Ideas as Bunk.

Best I can tell, a little over a century after the flood.

Evidence please.

The differences seem to involve a spiritual force being part of the mix here. At the moment we operate in a physical only realm.

Just look at heaven, and miracles, to see how drastically the spiritual affects things.

Understand this, dad. I do not question the Spiritual aspect of the Universe. I understand it a lot more then you'd believe.

I only Doubt your sanity.

And FYI, We do NOT Exist in the Physical only Realm. This is Why I know you're Full of it. There was never any "Split." Man simply lost touch with the spiritual world but it is still with us.

P.S. That last statement is not meant to be asserted as a Scientific Fact.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

False. It is clear and irrefutable.

True. It is unclear and refutable.

 

[dad]

That doesn't really answer the question. I'm looking for specifics. I'm wondering what was actually different.

Well aren't we all? Look at the future, and the miracles, there are many many specifics about how the spiritual added to the physical reacts, and can react. gravity is not a concern, and can be overridden. Light snaps into it's true nature, and can span the universe in jig time, such as in the week of creation. Life processes get very different fast. Long lives, fast tree growth etc.

What was the speed of light? Faster or slower than now?

Who says it had a speed? It could span the universe in days, or if needed, maybe not be seen on earth at all. The stars are for signs and not all are seen on earth...at once.

What was the gravitational constant?

None. gravity was just one player, if any..not the big cheese.

What about the strong and weak nuclear forces?

They are features of this state.

What about radioactive decay; if it was different, in what way?

I have no evidence that any decay existed...you?

 

[Skaloop]

Well aren't we all? Look at the future, and the miracles, there are many many specifics about how the spiritual added to the physical reacts, and can react. gravity is not a concern, and can be overridden.

Gravity cannot be overridden. It can be overcome, but there is always gravity acting.

I have no evidence that any decay existed...you?

Yes. The fact that there are elements that decay, several of them, at varying rates, and that despite these varying rates they all coincide with the scientifically accepted age of the substances. It may not be the sort of proof you are looking for, but it is evidence.

 

[dad]

Why shouldn't we use our understanding of Reality of today as the Key to understanding Reality as a Whole? .

Because looking only at a part of the picture cannot tell all the picture, just because you say so. One would have to know that the past and future and present shared the same laws, to construct scenarios from the one to the other.

Don't mix apples and oranges.

There is Nothing to tell us that reality was in anyway different from to today then it was Yesterday, a year ago, or a hundred billion years ago

Let's stick to real time here, maybe do imaginary time in another thread.

Understand this, dad. I do not question the Spiritual aspect of the Universe. I understand it a lot more then you'd believe.

Ok, so you admit it is real?

And FYI, We do NOT Exist in the Physical only Realm. This is Why I know you're Full of it. There was never any "Split." Man simply lost touch with the spiritual world but it is still with us.

Not in the way that spirits live and marry here if you notice! They visit.

P.S. That last statement is not meant to be asserted as a Scientific Fact.

And the rest are?