Evolution is a Fact

[Tenka]

I recently saw the docu-drama Darwin's Brave New World, and one amusing observation was that in 150 years the anti evolution "arguments" of christian creationists have changed very, very little.

Equally amusing was Ursie who demanded to know why creationists are disliked, disrespected and considered ignorant...then set about doing all in her power to reinforce these views. There's your answer, Ursie things are that way because that's how you want them to be. Fostering hostility is the only thing creationists really work hard at.

 

[AintNoMonkey]

The only feature that can't possibly be the same as the remains were when they were alive, is the colour.

Oh really?

Feather Fossils Could Yield Dinosaur Colors | LiveScience

 

[AintNoMonkey]

Sometimes you gotta plan ahead
Don't worry, I'll load up on enough for both of us.

 

[Witchy Bee]

I just don't see why the orgin of everything has to be such a big deal, it's not like we are ever going to know for sure. I mean, okay, I believe in evolution, but I also beliee everything is sacred and divine and that my gods effect my life. In my opinion the evidence points towards evolution, but people will see things differently depending on what they believe. For example, I believe in magic because I've seen it work. It's not about truth, it's about perspective.

 

[AV1611VET]

I just don't see why the orgin of everything has to be such a big deal, it's not like we are ever going to know for sure. I mean, okay, I believe in evolution, but I also beliee everything is sacred and divine and that my gods effect my life. In my opinion the evidence points towards evolution, but people will see things differently depending on what they believe. For example, I believe in magic because I've seen it work. It's not about truth, it's about perspective.

Don't worry --- these guys won't give you the third degree --- you said the magic words: "I believe in evolution."

 

[Sanguis]

Oh really?

Feather Fossils Could Yield Dinosaur Colors | LiveScience

Didn't know that, thanks. That was a pretty interesting read.

 

[thaumaturgy]

--- That describes me to a tee.

I was born ignorant, and I'll die ignorant.

As the saying goes we are all ignorant but in different things.

But some of us aren't as much in love with our ignorance as others. Some of us actually don't like being ignorant!

 

[thaumaturgy]

What a bunch of malarkey. It's clear why evolution is an embarrassment to real science.

Ummm, except it isn't an embarrassment. Perhaps you should bother to either get your facts straight or support your point.

If you were convinced of any of this theoretical dribble in school, whatever school it was did you a great disservice.

Well, to be fair I've seen quite a few fossils in my time. So there's that. I spent years studying earth science. I've crawled on my belly looking for tiny fossils. I've actually studied the rocks and the earth's history.

Granted I'm not a biologist. But I've had my share of biology classes and even a biochem class.

But, nobody said that the theory of evolution was for intellectuals.

You are correct. But by the same token that doesn't mean that only people ignorant of the technical issues are the "experts".

 

[AintNoMonkey]

As the saying goes we are all ignorant but in different things.

But some of us aren't as much in love with our ignorance as others. Some of us actually don't like being ignorant!

For shame!

Hey, glad to see you're still around regulating, thaumaturgy. Way to hold down for the rock community.

 

[hangback]

As the saying goes we are all ignorant but in different things.

But some of us aren't as much in love with our ignorance as others. Some of us actually don't like being ignorant!

I have been told that the creationists motto is, 'Ignorance is bliss'.

 

[CoderHead]

Why would we waste our time and money on such a course when we know we will be fed evolution. How many creation seminars have you attended? How many creation led studies have you been a part of? How many times have you red the bible?

I think it's hilarious that you would even attempt to use this argument as proof that people who "buy into" evolution are wrong, misinformed, or uneducated. I say this because I spent my entire childhood and part of my early adulthood elbows-deep in Christianity and the Bible. I've heard every key verse there is. I've read the Bible all the way through with my family once and another time as part of a year-long Bible study. I've spouted the same creationist nonsense as you are here. I've actually recited the "Darwin recanted his theories" lie word for word.

How many scientific journals have you read? How many lectures have you attended? How many textbooks have you taught from? Apply the logic to yourself, sister.

Perhaps you are just as uneducated in the things of God as we are in the things of evolution?

One of the tenets of your belief system is that you can never know the mind of God. God is mysterious; He does things on His own time, for His own purposes. How then can you even posit that one could be as educated in the "things of God" as they could be in the evidence and testable hypotheses of evolution? How very arrogant of you to position yourself as some sort of "God expert!"

And you can say this because you are completely unbiased? And does your PhD makes you incapable of error?

Does your ownership of a Bible make you infallible? I own a couple of Bibles too, you know.

I'm married to an engineer and after 17 years, he has realized that logic is the only means by which we can learn.

So then, he's put aside the faulty religious concepts in favor of sound science and logic? Good for him!

I would argue that you are guilty of the same, having little interest in understanding the things of the bible.

Again, you're showing arrogance in assuming that we haven't done our research when it is you who openly states your unwillingness to even give it a perfunctory glance.

You are free to feel that way, so am I. But you are not free to indoctrinate my children and my family and the children and families of other believers in God with your insistance that your theories are fact.

Whose goal is it to indoctrinate? Wow, that gets a huge facepalm from me.

Excuse me --- is this a picture, a drawing, or a painting?

I usually go by artists' renditions.

What are you saying? That if it's a drawing or a painting, then you're going to believe it wholeheartedly? Did you think your quote from the EA thread wouldn't count in this one? What's that you like to say? "PWNED!"

That little Haeckel drawing doesn't fool me one bit.

Wait...what? You said you like drawings! Now I'm confused...:o

Paul says not to:

Yes, absolutely. Better to keep the flock in line if you convince them that thinking is bad.

 

[TheReasoner]

znip

Let me guess... You rejected your faith when you found how ridiculous creationism is?

 

[CoderHead]

Let me guess... You rejected your faith when you found how ridiculous creationism is?

This isn't the thread for it, but my "rejection" of faith wasn't due to creationist nonsense - although, I suppose it's part of the whole. My faith fell away gradually as I studied more and more, both within and without the Bible and the Christian doctrine.

Creationism just never made any sense to me, and it was a constant struggle during Sunday school classes or sermons for me to keep my mouth shut and not make waves. Too many unanswerable (not just "unanswered") questions.

 

[Nathan Poe]

--- That describes me to a tee.

I was born ignorant, and I'll die ignorant.

As I've said before -- ignorance and pride is a combination that never ends well.

 

[TheOutsider]

They're just names.

It's like you deliberately try to go off topic when you' know that continuing down the current topic will end up with you having to question everything you blindly beileve, so you change the topic ASAP, to avoid you suffering from a logic overload, short circuiting your brain and causing you to have a seizure.

Whether that's consciously, or without you noticing, it's painfully obvious to the rest of us.

There's a reason he's been on my ignore list for more than a year. This place would be a lot better if more people followed my lead. At the very least stop letting him change the subject all of the time with his silly word games.

 

[TheOutsider]

Also, seeing Ursie come in here asking why everyone assumes that Creationists are morons and then proceeding to act like a moron was pretty funny.

 

[MoonLancer]

Let me guess... You rejected your faith when you found how ridiculous creationism is?

well i cant speak for coderhead but i could tell you why I decided Christianity was bunk, although its not as simple as simply creationism, but it sure doesn't help, that's for sure.

 

[Split Rock]

Well, for the record, the Theory of Evolution runs on three big fallacies:

1. fake drawings
2. god-of-the-gaps
3. outdated software

I thought bearing false witness was a sin. Did you get "Dispensated" for that?

 

[AV1611VET]

well i cant speak for coderhead but i could tell you why I decided Christianity was bunk, although its not as simple as simply creationism, but it sure doesn't help, that's for sure.

What happened?

Did you find out you'd have to turn the other cheek, or maybe be required to forgive someone for something?

Or maybe learn that there's a higher source than who signs your paycheck?

 

[Split Rock]

No, thanks be to God, I'm a little more vigilant than you think I am.

That little Haeckel drawing doesn't fool me one bit.

Why don't you draw us a better representation of what microraptor looked like? Go ahead and study the fossil and then use your "expertise" (ie ability to quote scripture out of context and play semantic games) to show us what it really looked like.