Evolution is a Fact

[Nathan Poe]

"Pluto" is now a verb.

You can AV1611VET that all you want, but that's not going to make it so.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You guys go ahead and talk yourselves out of the points I made.

I'll be glad to restate them later as the need arises.

Even if it doesn't -- especially if it doesn't -- you'll be there to AV1611VET your "points."

I'll say it again: the Bible portrays a dinosaur as having a navel, and if a dinosaur having a navel is sufficient to falsify evolution, then I'll consider evolution falsified.

1. It doesn't.
2. It's not.
3. You already do anyway; why should we care?

Those of you who don't believe Behemoth was a dinosaur can kindly ignore this post.

Suppose we'd rather laugh at it? I'm not one to let good comedy go to waste.

I'm sure we'll be discussing it aplenty in upcoming threads.

No doubt you will.

 

[laconicstudent]

Wait what? Is AV arguing that dinosaurs have navels??? Can someone explain to me why a reptile, a non-placental animal would have a navel ???!

That makes absolutely NO SENSE. In fact, I would describe it as actually insane.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Wait what? Is AV arguing that dinosaurs have navels??? Can someone explain to me why a reptile, a non-placental animal would have a navel ???!

That makes absolutely NO SENSE. In fact, I would describe it as actually insane.

Actually, he's arguing that the biblical behemoth is a dinosaur, and the behemoth had a navel, therefore science is wrong.

Which actually makes his argument exponentially more senseless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, he's arguing that the biblical behemoth is a dinosaur, and the behemoth had a navel, therefore science is wrong.

This is why he had to have it explained to him:

In fact, I would describe it as actually insane.

His lack of tolerance for those who don't adhere to current computer models set up a roadblock that he couldn't get around.

 

[Cabal]

This is why he had to have it explained to him:His lack of tolerance for those who don't adhere to current computer models set up a roadblock that he couldn't get around.

And even after having it explained, it still seems as insane.

So much for your roadblocks and stereotyping of scientific research with your "computer models" mantra.

"Were you there", AV? Or are you going to drop this double standard?

 

[Sanguis]

*Double post, delteeted.*

 

[Sanguis]

I'll say it again: the Bible portrays a dinosaur as having a navel, and if a dinosaur having a navel is sufficient to falsify evolution, then I'll consider evolution falsified.

Yeah, but you'd consider potassium cyanide to be a nice refreshing drink, if "the Bible" told you so.

What you consider means absolutely nothing, because everything you consider is absolutely, 110% completely ridiculous.

You're incapable of thinking for yourself, you're incapable of reason, or logic. All you're capable of is following your own interpretation of a bronze age storybook, as obsessively and fanatically as you possibly can. Of course, you're simply too blinded the book that replaces your own brain to even consider that, possibly, just maybe, you might be wrong. We like to call that arrogance.

I honestly can't imagine how sad one's life must be in order to put all of their trust and hope in a book written by cavemen. It's just incomprehensible to me, how one's life could become so hopeless, so empty, that they require blind belief in ancient mythology to give their life any meaning.

 

[AV1611VET]

I honestly can't imagine how sad one's life must be in order to put all of their trust and hope in a book written by cavemen.

Rookie mistake or faux pas here?

 

[Wedjat]

I thought you'd be happy AV, that's at least as good a resume' as I gave dad.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Well, let's see --- first you find a nest of bones.

Then you assemble them into something.

Randomly, of course, until we make something that looks really cool!

Then you call this something a "terrible lizard".

To be fair, we do have incredible educations so we have to put it into Greek or Latin. But at least we didn't call them "Wickedosaursuseses!"

From there, you build a whole world full of these things meandering around all over everywhere.

Well, yeah, otherwise it wouldnt' be fun! Oh sure it helps when we find a lot more of the same types of bones as the first couple all over the place, but soon we've made the place lousy with 'em. T. Rex couldn't walk for tripping over a diploticus here or a pachycephalosaurus there.

Then you realize that, since you called it a lizard, it can't have a navel.

Well, duh! If we allowed for biology to have any rules we'd be out of the "fun business". Most of us went into science precisely so we could just make stuff up as we needed to. Thankfully we "evolutionists" control Peer Review with an iron fist and can control all the information that gets out. If only we had been faster on controlling the great intellectuals like Kirk Cameron and "Dr. Dino" no one would know of our nefarious plan!

Oh yeah, forgot: "Bwahahahahaha."

Thus Behemoth in the Bible gets plutoed because it doesn't fit the computer model of a dinosaur.

Since his bones were as strong pieces of brass, it was hard not to classify him as a steam shovel. Thankfully God used the word "as" or we would have been able to shoehorn that one in.

Oh, one other thing: "computer model"? That's actually pretty funny considering how much of vertebrate paleontology predates the use of computers in the life sciences, let alone "modelling" it. But yes, normally we in the earth sciences would go to "Paleo-Vax 3000" and plug in the various attributes and wait for the flashing lights and beeping to stop to determine if it is "dinosaur" or "not dinosaur".

Used to have to put the attributes in on punch cards but now we can just type in:

1. Big
2. Scaly
3. Fire-breathing
4. Wing-a-lings
5. Navel
6. Big Beefy Arm.

(That's at trick, Paleo-Vax 3000 would have tagged that one as a TROGDOR almost immediately. But you get the point.)

When we typed in "navel" for Behemoth, unfortunately there was only a 5% fit with the dinosaur model and PaleoVax 3000 rejected it.

Did I peg that right?

Spot on! Bravo! Go directly to Harvard and collect your MASTERS IN SCIENCE degree!

(I can easily get you guys to pluto other dinosaurs

Well, be fair, we already plutoed Plutosaurus because he was too small and had those floppy ears. Ironically it wasn't the fact that he had the floppy ears as much as that he was physically indifferentiable from Goofysaurus and no one could see why one was anthropomorphic and the other not.

Then there was the whole "Dinosaur Jr" mess. Everything fit the model until someone typed in "alternative rock band" and Paleo-Vax 3000 immediately hung up on the program. Took weeks to get it working again.

 

[Nathan Poe]

This is why he had to have it explained to him:His lack of tolerance for those who don't adhere to current computer models set up a roadblock that he couldn't get around.

I'm afriad science is rarely politically correct -- "tolerance" only goes to ideas that earn it.

 

[USincognito]

I'm starting to think the same of responses to the village idiot that I do when people watching a slasher flick they've seen 50 times already still yell at the characters not to go into a room where the killer is.

I have a question too evolutionists....how is it possible to find authentic artifacts of thousands of years old that shows that dinosaurs were part of their culture/man?

I am pretty sure they did not have the science and imagination of that of modern evolutionists......

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This really makes evolution look stupid!

There goes my irony meter.

Actually, if you had any knowledge on the subject, you'd realize that Creationists citing supposed Ooparts make them look stupid. Why you ask? Because many of the ones they cite have been promoted by Michael Cremo who claims the Earth is billions of years old, and humans have been around all that time. So who is right? Creationists who claim dinosaurs walked with man 4,000 years ago or Michael Cremo who claims man walked with dinosaurs 10s of millions of years ago? The answer is both are wrong.

While dinosaurs died out at the end of the Cretaceous, it wouldn't effect evolution one bit if they were still alive 2000 years ago. What would effect evolution is if humans were alive 65,000,000 years ago. That being the case, if one is using Ooparts to counter evolution, Cremo actually has the "stonger" argument.

Finally, since you seem to think the images of dinosaurs represent something humans saw, would you similarly agree that humans encountered Nagas, Lamias, Satyrs, Centaurs, Shedu, Harpies, etc. etc.?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Rookie mistake or faux pas here?

Most likely hyperbole.

Cheer up, AV -- most rookies miss hyperbole the first few times.

 

[Gracchus]

I have seen it argued that "behemoth" was a hippopotamus. Have you ever seen a hippo take a dump? That little tail wags back and forth so fast it scatters manure far and wide. It must must make even AV1611VET, dad, and juvenissun envious.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I have seen it argued that "behemoth" was a hippopotamus. Have you ever seen a hippo take a dump? That little tail wags back and forth so fast it scatters manure far and wide. It must must make even AV1611VET, dad, and juvenissun envious.

Or inspired.

 

[Wedjat]

I thought behemoth had a tail like a cedar tree.

Anyway, dino's hatch from eggs, therefore do not have a navel. Perhaps a ground sloth would be better, although it's still before the human time span, it's not quite as thoroughly removed as dinosaurs, so if you absolutely insist that ancient peoples could not have had creative imagination (I love how you're conviniently leaving Levithian and Ziz out of the mythological trio [oh right, out of bible, out of mind, I forgot]) then perhaps this would be a better compromise since this one actually does have a navel.

 

[Witchy Bee]

I try not to use the word "fact" too much, because it's thrown around a lot these days and there are always people that will disagree.

 

[pgp_protector]

I try not to use the word "fact" too much, because it's thrown around a lot these days and there are always people that will disagree.

Is that a fact?

 

[laconicstudent]

I'm still in a state of shock over the utter illogic of the dinosaurs and navel argument.