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Hi,

Are you all familiar with Laminins, [FONT=&quot]

They are cell adhesion molecules. They are what holds one cell of our bodies to the next cell. Without them, we would literally fall apart[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]'Laminins are a family of proteins that are an integral part of the structural scaffolding of basement membranes in almost every animal tissue.'

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[FONT=&quot]Here is a picture of this molecule....

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No that's a drawing.
This is a picture


and another
 
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Layers and layers, check out Mout St. Helens and see how the layers that were layed down very quickly look just like the geological layers that scientists believe are millions of years old.

Actually they didn't. The layering was volcanic ash and mud from from slides caused by melting during the eruption. The layers were lacking in any of the sedimentary layers found in strata lain down over long periods of marine environments like limestone, chalk, salt deposits and those lain down during dry environments like sandstone.

Hi,

Are you all familiar with Laminins,{snip}

That drawing looks like the Caduceus! The Greek gods put their mark in our cells!!!
 
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I don't go around "proving" things* --- I walk by faith, not by sight.

I prefer to walk by both faith and sight. Faith that my sight and brain really do see something tangible about the world, and sight to see that actual tangibility.

I don't see the point of sight, if faith is all it takes.

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And I guarantee you: neither do you.
It depends on how rigorous you want the definition of proof to be.



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I don't listen to those YECs and one or two PhD's who accept that the sun orbits the earth, either. I prefer to go with the majority.

At day's end, whether it's the majority or the minority, it's best to go where you think the evidence makes the most sense.

Have you ever heard of "Project Steve"?

Here is the link:-

Project Steve | NCSE




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The atomic theory of matter is just a theory, yet most folk are happy that its subject matter, atoms and their associated processes are fact.

Ditto with heliocentric theory. Most folk are happy that it is a fact that the earth orbits the sun, despite the fact that a few YECs still argue, on bilical grounds that it really must be the other way round.

I believe that folk have been proclaiming ToE to be dead for some 150 years now.

Your argument appears to be little more than assertion. Do you have any evidence to back it up?

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So, after all these years, we have what's left of what hasn't been debunked yet, and they call it the theory of evolution. REMEMBER: THEORY NOT FACT.

You do understand that most of the atomic theory of matter has been debunked?

It depends on what point in history you look at a scientific theory. Following the "discovery" of the atom, scientists built several models of the atom. All were eventually thrown out for the modern quantum version. Even then, we still don't really know what an atom is.

The original version of Darwin and Wallace is still going very strong. Mind you, it has been overhauled and added to a lot.

Here is an example of muation and natural selection being tested in the lab. Unfortunately it's the abstract only:-

Access : Experimental evolution of bet hedging : Nature

Here is another example. The whole article is on-line:-

PLoS Computational Biology: Evolutionary Potential of a Duplicated Repressor-Operator Pair: Simulating Pathways Using Mutation Data

And another - again only the abstract:-

Empirical fitness landscapes reveal accessible evolutionary paths : Abstract : Nature


Not bad for a theory you claim is somewhat dead.


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In the mean time, God's Account of Creation in Genesis stand stands and makes much more sense. Only the Creator can tell you the origin of man and the universe.
God also gives an account of the cause of our wind, rain, snow and frost, in various verses throughout the Old Testament. He claims that these daily phenomena are not caused by natural forces, but rather he causes them, directly.

So do you reject modern meteorological theory in favour of Biblical meteorology?

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Most obviously, man can't comprehend His actions, nor can man replicate them.

Then there is nothing you can tell us is there.



Regards, Roland
 
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.... nuff said!
Not really. Not for me. I do want to know if the sun orbits the earth or the earth orbits the sun. What gravity really is - I find an interesting question. It is important to know if various viruses can evolve - for public health reasons at the very least.

I do find it interesting that different people claim that different Gods wrote different books. Why some reject the idea of Gods while others accept the idea. The cultural and psychological underpinnings of these things are important and fascinating in their own right.

It is really interesting to see if we can come up with a plausible description for a natural origin of life.

How stars shine is a fascinating question in its own right, and the answer could have important economic consequences for humanity given its greater dependence on technology.



And so it goes. Questions that are fascinating in their own right. Questions that are very important to ask.




Regards, Roland
 
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A very complex looking molecule. (Mind you, as one poster has pointed out, pictures of the real things look rather blurred and squiggly. One has to interpret them to be able to make the above drawing.)

Scientists are coming more and more to grips with how such complexity can arise naturally.

Other folk claim that such complexity means that the thing must have been designed. Well we can both agree on that. I think nature designed and made it via natural processes. Some of these processes I can talk about. We understand them to some degree.

However if you think an intelligence made them then I shall be asking you:-

1) Where is your evidence for this? And,

2) having designed the molecule, how did the designer then make it? And

3) What evidence can you supply in support of your answer?



Regards, Roland
 
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His argument with the Laminin is that since it looks like a cross, it proves Christianity and Creationism. I've seen this before. My school once had a speaker who literally came up, told us how wonderful-super-awesome Laminin was... then showed us a cute picture of it and proceeded to bask in the adulatory applause.

Because the shape of a protein proves religion. Go figure.
 
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It's my turn to go into shock.
 
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Now that you mention it, I have seen the argument before, on another forum.

Oh dear.

Mind you, I have seen some pictures of molecules that look like dumb-bells, therefore weight lifting must be true. Oh wait …





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Hi,

1- right there in the picture I gave you, do you think it came from nowhere?
2- If you cannot produce life how are suppose to understand how God made a molecule that holds most living things together?
3- The evidence is under the microscope.....

How do you explain how these molecules came about, where is the intelligence? Are you suggesting everything develops from something that does not have the means to think like humans can for example? Even humans cannot make something similar, but you suggest it can be done by other molecules?

The reason why I post it here is that it does look pretty much like a cross which is normally referred to Jesus Christ and it is very interesting that in the Scriptures we read this,

Colossians 1:15-17 (King James Version)


15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
 
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Are you a Christian? The reason why I am asking this is that you seem to enjoy having fellowship with darkness rather than light?

Not liking fallacious arguments =/= enjoying having fellowship with darkness.

Seriously, broaden your horizons. Disagreeing with the PRATTs you raise in no way makes one not a Christian.
 
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1- right there in the picture I gave you, do you think it came from nowhere?

I´d say we had that "from nothing" and "from nowhere" stuff some pages back.

But I guess you simply ignored my comments... the usual modus operandi of creationists faced with stuff they don´t like.

So let me say it again here: "not from an intelligence" does not mean "from nowhere".
 
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