Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[TasManOfGod]

Belief is a condition, and a really poor one at that, given that belief is not so much a choice that one could instantly just make themselves believe something. You couldn't make yourself believe the sky was green when every time you look up you see it is blue, belief isn't 100% a choice. I can ask for forgiveness, sure, but that isn't what god demands of people. It demands we believe it exists without ever leaving behind evidence of its existence.

Believing is not a condition it is a pre-requisite. I cannot say I am an evolutionist if I didn't believe in evolution

 

[DerelictJunction]

It's my opinion (subjective) that Jesus spoke in common language, everyday vernacular. At times though, He didn't. At times He spoke in parables that only the spiritually minded could understand.

Jesus was completely accurate when He referenced that which was grown from a mustard seed as a tree. Today, He would probably use a different word, but then it was accurate.

Also, when He reference Noah and the Flood, in order to make a point, he was completely accurate by the understanding of the audience, despite it not being an actual historical event.

 

[justlookinla]

No it isn't. It could just as easily be a translation mistake. You need to do better than that.

I'm speaking of the Greek word.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Believing is not a condition it is a pre-requisite. I cannot say I am an evolutionist if I didn't believe in evolution

What is the difference? People who don't believe aren't forgiven, that makes the forgiveness conditional. God won't forgive people who don't believe.

Sure, you don't agree with evolution if you don't agree with evolution, but belief and forgiveness aren't the same thing. God should be capable of just forgiving people without requiring anything of them. Why must god apparently have issues doing something humans can do easily?

 

[selfinflikted]

He was obviously referring to abortion.

I know. And my point was, even if I agree that abortion is "baby killing," that even if Americans are killing so many babies, his god still does nothing about it.

 

[justlookinla]

Look, the point is, to consider mustard a tree at any point is inaccurate. Sure, you could argue Jesus was just using it for metaphor, but there were better plants to use for that.

No, you view it as inaccurate today, at the time it painted exactly the word picture Jesus was trying to paint.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, you view it as inaccurate today, at the time it painted exactly the word picture Jesus was trying to paint.

It doesn't matter if people thought of them as trees, they aren't trees, they also thought the earth was flat, would that have made it true then if Jesus said it even though we know it isn't? And that still doesn't excuse the seed part.

 

[TasManOfGod]

What is the difference? People who don't believe aren't forgiven, that makes the forgiveness conditional. God won't forgive people who don't believe.

Sure, you don't agree with evolution if you don't agree with evolution, but belief and forgiveness aren't the same thing. God should be capable of just forgiving people without requiring anything of them. Why must god apparently have issues doing something humans can do easily?

God (through Jesus) has already forgiven everybody. It is now up to them to accept that forgiveness.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God (through Jesus) has already forgiven everybody. It is now up to them to accept that forgiveness.

Accepting the forgiveness in the way of belief is still conditional.

 

[justlookinla]

It doesn't matter if people thought of them as trees, they aren't trees, they also thought the earth was flat, would that have made it true then if Jesus said it even though we know it isn't? And that still doesn't excuse the seed part.

The word picture was very well illustrated by the seed-tree example. Jesus, in this case, chose His example very wisely.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I really hate looking up stuff for people on here, just google the Egyptian myth.

I have researched it. I am not asking for information that I have, I am asking you for your sources because if you had actually researched it for yourself and looked for the original sources for this information you wouldn't find it. It is false information.

 

[TasManOfGod]

I have researched it. I am not asking for information that I have, I am asking you for your sources because if you had actually researched it for yourself and looked for the original sources for this information you wouldn't find it. It is false information.

Are you sure? Maybe it was just a mis-translation from horus

 

[PsychoSarah]

I have researched it. I am not asking for information that I have, I am asking you for your sources because if you had actually researched it for yourself and looked for the original sources for this information you wouldn't find it. It is false information.

You know what? You are completely correct, I feel ridiculous now. Yet another argument I will never use again. My sources were not good, I jumped the gun, sorry about that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I know when to admit I was wrong. I got pulled in by the misinformation of the internet.

 

[TasManOfGod]

What? -double standard? No way!!
Every deity has to have their writings scrutinised for scientific accuracy before they can be classified as acceptable literature. Don't they?

 

[Queller]

I'm speaking of the Greek word.

Which is used in only two of three tellings of the parables (for if you count the non-canon Gospel of Thomas. Why not all three? In Mark, the mustard seed grows to be greater than all herbs. It isn't described as a tree at all.

 

[TasManOfGod]

I know when to admit I was wrong. I got pulled in by the misinformation of the internet.

pesky internet

 

[PsychoSarah]

What? -double standard? No way!!
Every deity has to have their writings scrutinised for scientific accuracy before they can be classified as acceptable literature. Don't they?

Not really, no. But they don't use texts of modern religions so much, and they are presented as fiction.

 

[PsychoSarah]

pesky internet

It happens. I will not keep pressing an argument I have been shown to be inaccurate. This will be either the 3rd or 4th time I have removed an argument completely from my personal use since being on this site. Progress has been made to improving my debates.

 

[TasManOfGod]

I know what you mean. Everything is right in our own eyes until we are shown to be incorrect. That is what happened to me when I believed in evolution.