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PsychoSarah
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Jesus is proof god can't forgive people. And compared to what suffering the gods of other religions go through for the sake of humanity, crucifixion is nothing. Norse gods die, lose limbs, family members, all permanently. Kronos, while not exactly voluntary in its suffering, exists eternally in a state of being chopped in tiny pieces, constantly in pain. The story isn't even unique, the Egyptian god Horus was born of a virgin, walked on water, healed people, and was killed and then brought back to life. God, in all its existence, had less than a week of real suffering, and apparently showing that a supposedly omnipotent being can't do the simple thing of forgiving people for the flaws it created them with.
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justlookinla
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But the bible doesn't use the word for bush, it uses the word for tree. I found the word for bush as you requested.
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PsychoSarah
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And its use of the word tree is thus the reason why I presented it as an example of the bible being inaccurate.
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DerelictJunction
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Are you saying that Jesus was describing things in a context that the audience would understand and not concerned with complete accuracy when He used that metaphor?
Do you think that He catered to their limited understanding in other sermons?
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Oncedeceived
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Please present the documentation for Horus being born a virgin, walking on water, healing people and how he was killed and came back to life. I would like the source of these claims to be documented either by a picture of the original or a person of authority's account of their source.
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Subduction Zone
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Fine, then you admit that the Bible made a mistake.
Next!
And actually I said that for the use of the word tree to be valid you could not find the word for bush. By finding the word for bush you proved that the Bible was in error.
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PsychoSarah
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I really hate looking up stuff for people on here, just google the Egyptian myth.
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There are no conditions attached to Jesus. Just believe
Might I add conditional love is not real love and God's love is unconditional.
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PsychoSarah
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Belief is a condition, and a really poor one at that, given that belief is not so much a choice that one could instantly just make themselves believe something. You couldn't make yourself believe the sky was green when every time you look up you see it is blue, belief isn't 100% a choice. I can ask for forgiveness, sure, but that isn't what god demands of people. It demands we believe it exists without ever leaving behind evidence of its existence.
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justlookinla
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It's my opinion (subjective) that Jesus spoke in common language, everyday vernacular. At times though, He didn't. At times He spoke in parables that only the spiritually minded could understand.
Jesus was completely accurate when He referenced that which was grown from a mustard seed as a tree. Today, He would probably use a different word, but then it was accurate.
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Being required to believe in Jesus IS a condition.
PsychoSarah
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Look, the point is, to consider mustard a tree at any point is inaccurate. Sure, you could argue Jesus was just using it for metaphor, but there were better plants to use for that.
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