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[TasManOfGod]

Did you know that Americans killed 1.2 million babies each year.

 

[bhsmte]

Do you support missions to Africa so that those with tyranny in them will be changed?

Children die all over the world, not just in Africa.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you know that Americans killed 1.2 million babies each year.

I seriously doubt that. It surely would have made FOX News if that were the case

 

[TasManOfGod]

Do you honestly believe that a policeman that looks the other way and does nothing while a rape and murder takes place is condoning that act of evil?

So is your answer to get rid of all the Christians so the sinners are left alone to do what they want?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So is your answer to get rid of all the Christians so the sinners are left alone to do what they want?

Why do you think that only other people sin? Statistics show that when it comes to breaking the law far more Christians as a percentage of population are "sinners" than atheists. The percentage of atheists in prisons is much much less than the percentage of atheists in society.

 

[justlookinla]

Do you honestly believe that a policeman that looks the other way and does nothing while a rape and murder takes place is condoning that act of evil?

Or one of us would look the other way if we saw someone abusing a child, or one of us would withhold food from a starving person? Those are the kinds of questions which are legitimate questions to ask when considering the idea of a powerful being, God. Some deal with it by not thinking about the issues, some religions embrace the view of reincarnation and karma, one is getting payback for a wrong in a previous life.

Since it seems everyone wishes to protect their particular worldview, it's difficult sometimes to honestly address the issues surrounding evil in the world. Even atheists who embrace the view that humanity is just another creature among creatures have to examine the issue. For example, if one believes that we are just a product of naturalistic mechanisms then personal responsibility suffers at some level of existence. In other words, I'm not really accountable for what I do, nature made me this way. I abuse children, it's not wrong for I'm just a life form responding to my DNA makeup and acting on my impulses toward another life form who just happens to be weaker. This is how life survives, evolves and grows, in the view that we are simply creatures of naturalistic processes.

So, one must honestly examine not only the Christian worldview of life when speaking of the evils in society, but also of the atheistic worldview of life when speaking of the evils in society. To be fair, I mean.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And the Bible is not clear on abortion at all.

In fact in the Bible abortion is valid for a wrong as small as a woman cheating on her husband. Most pro-life people would not allow an abortion for that.

 

[justlookinla]

Did you know that Americans killed 1.2 million babies each year.

Worldwide, over 40 million babies are killed each year. According to one's worldview, that's either a very disturbing or meaningless statistic.

 

[DerelictJunction]

So is your answer to get rid of all the Christians so the sinners are left alone to do what they want?

No. My response was not to get rid of Christians, or ask them to believe differently.
I was only pointing out that having knowledge of an act of evil and having the power to stop that act requires one to act against that evil or be seen as condoning it.
Your God may have reasons for allowing evil to continue and people to suffer, but in allowing it, He is responsible for it. To say He is not, seems rather foolish.

 

[TasManOfGod]

No. My response was not to get rid of Christians, or ask them to believe differently.
I was only pointing out that having knowledge of an act of evil and having the power to stop that act requires one to act against that evil or be seen as condoning it.
Your God may have reasons for allowing evil to continue and people to suffer, but in allowing it, He is responsible for it. To say He is not, seems rather foolish.

Actually God addressed evil on earth in a different way He sent Himself to take the punishment for it. This way He preserved your rite to do evil and would not treat you like a robot.

 

[selfinflikted]

Did you know that Americans killed 1.2 million babies each year.

And yet the fact remains, god does nothing.

(and I disagree about "babies" being killed, but that's beside the point)

 

[PsychoSarah]

No It isn't a lesson in biology it is a lesson in spirituality. Actually I am not really going to pursue this further as it is just pedantics and probably suffered at the hands of translators. God was not out to deceive -if you can prove otherwise I will listen.

You asked me to show you what I view as places where the bible is wrong in matters of biology. Stating that mustard plants become trees, even in that context, is still suggesting that mustard plants actually become trees when in reality they don't. If the writer didn't think mustard plants had these qualities, they wouldn't have been used in that context.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And yet the fact remains, god does nothing.

(and I disagree about "babies" being killed, but that's beside the point)

He was obviously referring to abortion. It seems he still has me on ignore since I brought up the fact that the Bible is not clear on abortion and even okays it for when your wife has cheated on you.

Perhaps you could quote me since he has not responded to this "sock's" claim

 

[DerelictJunction]

Actually God addressed evil on earth in a different way He sent Himself to take the punishment for it. This way He preserved your rite to do evil and would not treat you like a robot.

So, He curses the creation with sickness, mental illness, famine, tornadoes, birth defects and other "evil" so that He could set up a system whereby we must believe something that has little evidence support it in order to avoid an eternity of punishment that makes earthly evil look like paradise.

Hmmm, I'm not real sure how to respond to that.

What would we say about a ruler who set up his country in that manner?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Actually God addressed evil on earth in a different way He sent Himself to take the punishment for it. This way He preserved your rite to do evil and would not treat you like a robot.

I am totally cool with not having the right to be a bad person. I really don't care if the desires some people have to murder or rape or steal aren't allowed to be expressed in their actions.

 

[TasManOfGod]

You asked me to show you what I view as places where the bible is wrong in matters of biology. Stating that mustard plants become trees, even in that context, is still suggesting that mustard plants actually become trees when in reality they don't. If the writer didn't think mustard plants had these qualities, they wouldn't have been used in that context.

You do understand don't you that the Gospels were written well after the event and although inspired can also contain the limited understanding of the writer. You see this when two writers re-count the same event slightly differently. Was God out to deceive? - hardly

 

[justlookinla]

You asked me to show you what I view as places where the bible is wrong in matters of biology. Stating that mustard plants become trees, even in that context, is still suggesting that mustard plants actually become trees when in reality they don't. If the writer didn't think mustard plants had these qualities, they wouldn't have been used in that context.

Black Mustard...from Wikipedia.....

"The plant is believed to be native to the southern Mediterranean region of Europe and possibly South Asia where it has been cultivated for thousands of years.

The spice is generally made from ground seeds of the plant, with the seed coats removed. The small (1 mm) seeds are hard and vary in color from dark brown to black. They are flavorful, although they have almost no aroma. The seeds are commonly used in Indian cuisine, for example in curry, where it is known as rai. The seeds are usually thrown into hot oil or ghee, after which they pop, releasing a characteristic nutty flavor. The seeds have a significant amount of fatty oil. This oil is used often as cooking oil in India.

In Ethiopia, where it is cultivated as a vegetable in Gondar, Harar and Shewa, the shoots and leaves are consumed cooked and the seeds used as a spice. Its Amharic name is senafitch.[1]

Ground seeds of the plant mixed with honey are widely used in eastern Europe as cough suppressant. In Eastern Canada, the use of mouche de moutarde to treat respiratory infections was popular before the advent of modern medicine. It consisted in mixing ground mustard seeds with flour and water, and creating a cataplasm with the paste. This cataplasm was put on the chest or the back and left until the person felt a stinging sensation.

The plant itself can grow from two to eight feet tall, with racemes of small yellow flowers. These flowers are usually up to 1/3" across, with four petals each. The leaves are covered in small hairs; they can wilt on hot days, but recover at night."​

 

[PsychoSarah]

You do understand don't you that the Gospels were written well after the event and although inspired can also contain the limited understanding of the writer. You see this when two writers re-count the same event slightly differently. Was God out to deceive? - hardly

I don't view the bible as the writings of any deity. Even if deities were shown to exist I would doubt any involvement on their part in religious texts.

But regardless, I showed you what you asked. It is only an issue for biblical literalists of course, but regardless the bible has moments of inaccuracy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A plant eight foot tall at the most hardly counts as a tree.

In that case simple field corn would grow to become a tree. Thanks for supporting Sarah.

 

[DerelictJunction]

You do understand don't you that the Gospels were written well after the event and although inspired can also contain the limited understanding of the writer. You see this when two writers re-count the same event slightly differently. Was God out to deceive? - hardly

I thought the Gospel writers were inspired by God. Does inspiration fail to prevent error?