Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[RickG]

you prove my point, thank you. The fact is that quote mining doesn't exist as even you testify, misquotes, proof texting, and quoting out of context exist. There is no need to coin a term just to use against christian creationists that no scientific or legal communities physically use.

The "quote mining" term, and technique is also used in global warming/climate change discussions. It is not unique to creationism.

 

[createdtoworship]

The "quote mining" term, and technique is also used in global warming/climate change discussions. It is not unique to creationism.

examples?


Also do you have any entymology roots to support your assertions?


thanks for they reply.

 

[biggles53]

examples?


Also do you have any entymology roots to support your assertions?


thanks for they reply.

Really Grady....why do you expect others to do your homework for you...? Is this why you are so woefully informed about science...?

Quote mining - RationalWiki

 

[RickG]

examples?

The stolen CRU emails and their misrepresentations are excellent examples.

Also do you have any entymology roots to support your assertions?


thanks for they reply.

I need a correct spelling of that word before answering that question. Are you talking about insects? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Queller]

Doing something you think is the right thing to do can be wrong.

OK. That has nothing to do with what I was talking about but you go ahead think you've made some kind of point.

 

[createdtoworship]

The stolen CRU emails and their misrepresentations are excellent examples.



I need a correct spelling of that word before answering that question. Are you talking about insects? That doesn't make sense.

etymology sorry

 

[createdtoworship]

the mysterious Cambrian explosion:

obviously not complete but that the ALL major phyla showed up from no where, and have not gone away since.

its' a problem because of this:

Dr. Paul Chien is chairman of the biology department at the University of San Francisco. He has extensively explored the mysteries of the marvelous Cambrian fossils in Chengjiang, China. Moreover, Chien possesses the largest collection of Chinese Cambrian fossils in North America. In an interview with Real Issue he remarked, “A simple way of putting it is that currently we have about 38 phyla of different groups of animals, but the total number of phyla discovered during that period of time (including those in China, Canada, and elsewhere) adds up to over 50 phyla. That means [there are] more phyla in the very, very beginning, where we found the first fossils [of animal life], than exist now. Stephen J. Gould, [a Harvard University evolutionary biologist], has referred to this as the reverse cone of diversity. The theory of evolution implies that things get more and more complex and get more and more diverse from one single origin. But the whole thing turns out to be reversed. We have more diverse groups in the very beginning, and in fact more and more of them die off over time, and we have less and less now.”- from genesispark.com

Darwin's Dilemma - YouTube

video get interesting about 17 minutes into it when it speaks of darwins doubts over the cambrian explosion:

"IN the sixth chapter I enumerated the chief objections which might be justly urged against the views maintained in this volume. Most of them have now been discussed. One, namely the distinctness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty...."

origin of species, Darwin

read context here:
X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Absence of Intermediate Varieties at the Present Day. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics


again he doubts:
" To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. "

origin of species, darwin

X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Sudden Appearance of Groups of Allied Species in the Lowest Known Fossiliferous Strata. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics

 

[createdtoworship]

Really Grady....why do you expect others to do your homework for you...? Is this why you are so woefully informed about science...?

Quote mining - RationalWiki

this is the last post you get as you're still on ignore from another thread.

Really Grady....why do you expect others to do your homework for you...? Is this why you are so woefully informed about science...?

Quote mining - RationalWiki

He mentioned it, and I questioned it. The burden of proof is on him.

 

[[serious]]

the mysterious Cambrian explosion:

obviously not complete but that the ALL major phyla showed up from no where, and have not gone away since.

Let me stop you there:

Vetulicolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are actually bunches of fossils with no direct link to extant phyla. There was some weird stuff swimming around back then too.

 

[[serious]]

one other thing, phylum is an arbitrary level of distinction. Even if there weren't a clear violation of your central point, it wouldn't mean anything as one level of taxonomy is as good as any other.

 

[RickG]

etymology sorry

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification. However, with my comment concerning global warming, I don't see how etymology applies. I understood you to ask for examples of quote mines pertaining to global warming. I responded with CRU email scandal where stolen emails were quoted out of context. That is a quote mine. Also, another excellent source for quote mines, and perhaps the most blatant is by Christopher Monckton. He's so well know for it that they should probably rename them "Moncktons".

 

[createdtoworship]

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification. However, with my comment concerning global warming, I don't see how etymology applies. I understood you to ask for examples of quote mines pertaining to global warming. I responded with CRU email scandal where stolen emails were quoted out of context. That is a quote mine. Also, another excellent source for quote mines, and perhaps the most blatant is by Christopher Monckton. He's so well know for it that they should probably rename them "Moncktons".

ok, well I am working this week so I won't be able to reply till saturday or sunday.

Thanks for the reply.

but quote mines as a term was coined for dishonest purposes so I don't believe they exist (as a term that is). If you want me to answer your post, you must use terms I believe in (logically). If you wish I may answer regarding your allegations for pretexts, misquotes, or quoting out of context rather than the made up allegations of quote mining, that is fine. But again it will have to be next weekend.

ttyl.

 

[createdtoworship]

Let me stop you there:

Vetulicolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are actually bunches of fossils with no direct link to extant phyla. There was some weird stuff swimming around back then too.

major phyla, I repeat, major phyla.

 

[[serious]]

major phyla, I repeat, major phyla.

Define "major phyla"

 

[Loudmouth]

but quote mines as a term was coined for dishonest purposes so I don't believe they exist (as a term that is). If you want me to answer your post, you must use terms I believe in (logically). If you wish I may answer regarding your allegations for pretexts, misquotes, or quoting out of context rather than the made up allegations of quote mining, that is fine. But again it will have to be next weekend.

ttyl.

All people need to do is read several of your posts in order to figure out that quote mining is a dishonest practice, and that you participate in it.

 

[Aureus]

ok, well I am working this week so I won't be able to reply till saturday or sunday.

Thanks for the reply.

but quote mines as a term was coined for dishonest purposes so I don't believe they exist (as a term that is). If you want me to answer your post, you must use terms I believe in (logically). If you wish I may answer regarding your allegations for pretexts, misquotes, or quoting out of context rather than the made up allegations of quote mining, that is fine. But again it will have to be next weekend.

ttyl.

Whats your source for the Isaac Newton quote in your profile?

Googling it in its entirety only brings up christianforum website hits.

Edit: ah I see, replace G-D with God. Still, I'm having trouble finding an original source for it.

Edit: Apparently its cited as being in a book by Richard Watson called "Two Apologies, 1820, p. 57". Its also in the 1816 book.. but there's no citation for an original source by Newton other than claiming to have been told Newton said it, by a man that had died by the time his own work, the Two Apologies, had been written.

The first half of the quote anyway. The second half after your ellipses is from a different citation, also not an original work by Newton.

Edit, here have a better quote regarding Newton

"Newton was not the first of the age of reason. He was the last of the magicians, the last of the Babylonians and Sumerians, the last great mind that looked out on the visible and intellectual world with the same eyes as those who began to build our intellectual inheritance rather less than 10,000 years ago." - John Maynard Keynes "Newton the Man," in The Royal Society Newton Tercentenary Celebrations 15-19 July 1946

 

[lasthero]

All people need to do is read several of your posts in order to figure out that quote mining is a dishonest practice, and that you participate in it.

Forget that. All you need to do is trace the second quote in his signature.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Forget that. All you need to do is trace the second quote in his signature.

I will have to turn "show siggies" back on......brb


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[RickG]

but quote mines as a term was coined for dishonest purposes so I don't believe they exist (as a term that is). If you want me to answer your post, you must use terms I believe in (logically). If you wish I may answer regarding your allegations for pretexts, misquotes, or quoting out of context rather than the made up allegations of quote mining, that is fine. But again it will have to be next weekend.

ttyl.

The term was not coined for dishonest purposes, it was coined to "describe" dishonest purposes. A quote mine is not a misquote, it is a deliberate misquote for the purpose of representing it as something it is not. I can't be more clearer than that.

 

[bhsmte]

The term was not coined for dishonest purposes, it was coined to "describe" dishonest purposes. A quote mine is not a misquote, it is a deliberate misquote for the purpose of representing it as something it is not. I can't be more clearer than that.

I find it amusing, that a creationist, is trying to deny what quote mining is and even stating it doesn't exist.

Denial has no bounds.