Evolution Exposed

[AV1611VET]

Tell that to the Department of Redundancy Department.

Okay.

I should have stipulated that outside of the Bible bubble is a whole new world of facts and real history.

You're saying "Bible bub...

Okay, HS -- I just got that.

LOL

Cute

 

[TLK Valentine]

You don't get it, do you?

He cursed the tree, by addressing the fruit it bore.

Out of season or in season, the point is the same.

The tree is history.

And yet, there's a reason for it being there... I think the authors were trying to tell us something...

The fig tree incident happens just before Jesus enters Jerusalem, which, so we're told, was some time before Passover, correct?

Now, Passover begins on the 15th of Nisan, which usually lands somewhere around mid to late March (occasionally early April)... and in Israel, don't expect to start seeing figs until late May into June.

So really, there would be no reason for Jesus or anyone else to expect figs... although the incident does help date Jesus' entry into Jerusalem.

 

[morse86]

You don't get it, do you?

He cursed the tree, by addressing the fruit it bore.

Out of season or in season, the point is the same.

The tree is history.

Huh!?!?!? Where in the bible do you find that?

I believe this is talking about the "Good Tree vs Bad Tree". A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

I believe Jesus is refering to the flesh vs spirit. A good tree (saints, inward man) cannot bring forth evil fruit neither can a corrupt tree (unsaved, outward man) bring forth good fruit. A corrupt tree cannot preach about Jesus. How can a corrupt tree preach? For faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. How can they hear except they be sent?

 

[Goonie]

Only 9.5%?!

Haha.

 

[The Cadet]

Huh!?!?!? Where in the bible do you find that?

I believe this is talking about the "Good Tree vs Bad Tree". A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

I believe Jesus is refering to the flesh vs spirit. A good tree (saints, inward man) cannot bring forth evil fruit neither can a corrupt tree (unsaved, outward man) bring forth good fruit. A corrupt tree cannot preach about Jesus. How can a corrupt tree preach? For faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. How can they hear except they be sent?

A corrupt tree cannot preach about Jesus? What about Ted Haggard, or the catholic pedophile priests?

 

[AV1611VET]

So really, there would be no reason for Jesus or anyone else to expect figs... although the incident does help date Jesus' entry into Jerusalem.

Again, it doesn't matter what kind of tree it was.

The point is, it was found withered and dead the next day.[VERSE=Mark 11:20,KJV]And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.[/VERSE]Cursed one day ... dead the next.

 

[AV1611VET]

I believe this is talking about the "Good Tree vs Bad Tree". A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Let's bottom-line this, bro.

In your opinion, does God hate figs?

If you say YES, fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.
If you say NO, fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.

I don't think those who say "God hates figs" are really thinking it through when the narrative they use says Jesus saw a fig tree afar off and went to get some.

Mk 11:13a And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon:

Does that sound like someone who hates figs to you?

 

[crjmurray]

Let's bottom-line this, bro.

In your opinion, does God hate figs?

If you say YES, fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.
If you say NO, fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.

I don't think those who say "God hates figs" are really thinking it through when the narrative they use says Jesus saw a fig tree afar off and went to get some.

Mk 11:13a And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon:

Does that sound like someone who hates figs to you?

Well clearly he didn't hate figs when he wanted one. But after the tree had the gall to deny him his early morning figitry, well he clearly had a vendetta against figs from there on out. Probably a little sign on the pearly gates that reads...

NO FIGS!!!
I mean it!!!
​

And then scrawled down at the bottom in crude handwriting...

Would anybody like a peanut?
LCF​

 

[HitchSlap]

Well clearly he didn't hate figs when he wanted one. But after the tree had the gall to deny him his early morning figitry, well he clearly had a vendetta against figs from there on out. Probably a little sign on the pearly gates that reads...

NO FIGS!!!
I mean it!!!
​

And then scrawled down at the bottom in crude handwriting...

Would anybody like a peanut?
LCF​

Exactly. The big question is, what did Jesus end up eating to satisfy his hunger? And heaven forbid if the local eatery was out of something, for he would have curse them too? It seem Jesus was having a bad day?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Again, it doesn't matter what kind of tree it was.

Wrong.

Everything in the Bible "matters" in some way -- It's not unimportant just because you don't see why.

The point is, it was found withered and dead the next day.[VERSE=Mark 11:20,KJV]And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.[/VERSE]Cursed one day ... dead the next.

And what day would that be?

Immediately after the fig tree incident, Jesus arrives in Jerusalem, to a crowd waving leafy branches and shouting "Hosanna," correct? Now, the problem is that's not typically what Jews do for Passover... however, during the Feast of the Tabernacles (Sukkot), Jewish pilgrims would march around the altar of the Temple, waving leafy branches, and chanting Psalm 118... proclaiming "Hosanna."

Now, Sukkot falls in the Jewish month of Tishrei, not Nisan -- usually around mid to late September, when one would expect the figs to be in season.

Question: Why would Jesus show up in Jerusalem in time for one holiday to a crowd celebrating in the tradition of a different one? It would be like him arriving on St. Patrick's Day to a crowd chanting "Trick or Treat."

The more you look at the fig tree story, the more it seems so out of character that it's bound to attract attention... almost as if it's warning the reader that something is amiss...

 

[AV1611VET]

And what day would that be?

At the risk of staying on topic: who cares?

 

[Goonie]

At the risk of staying on topic: who cares?

Somebody who claims that because god said it, that settles it.

 

[Goonie]

Somebody who claims that because god said it, that settles it.

For one.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Somebody who claims that because god said it, that settles it.

Assuming of course, they actually care about what God said, as opposed to what words they can shove in His mouth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Somebody who claims that because god said it, that settles it.

I guarantee you, I don't care.

I'm not the one losing sleep over this.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I guarantee you, I don't care.

I guarantee you, we're not surprised.

I'm not the one losing sleep over this.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

If you don't want to think about what the Bible says, and wish to continue chanting your mantra, that's your prerogative.

The rest of us are going to discuss what the Bible means, and you can go play elsewhere.

 

[AV1611VET]

The rest of us are going to discuss what the Bible means,

I'll bet most would do that in a restaruant with a menu, would they?

They'd never order.

 

[HitchSlap]

Wrong.

Everything in the Bible "matters" in some way -- It's not unimportant just because you don't see why.



And what day would that be?

Immediately after the fig tree incident, Jesus arrives in Jerusalem, to a crowd waving leafy branches and shouting "Hosanna," correct? Now, the problem is that's not typically what Jews do for Passover... however, during the Feast of the Tabernacles (Sukkot), Jewish pilgrims would march around the altar of the Temple, waving leafy branches, and chanting Psalm 118... proclaiming "Hosanna."

Now, Sukkot falls in the Jewish month of Tishrei, not Nisan -- usually around mid to late September, when one would expect the figs to be in season.

Question: Why would Jesus show up in Jerusalem in time for one holiday to a crowd celebrating in the tradition of a different one? It would be like him arriving on St. Patrick's Day to a crowd chanting "Trick or Treat."

The more you look at the fig tree story, the more it seems so out of character that it's bound to attract attention... almost as if it's warning the reader that something is amiss...

Great exegesis!
I wonder why you never hear biblical teachers explain it this way?

 

[crjmurray]

Whats the deal with ancient people being so angry about fruit trees anyway? Generally when I read something from a completely different time period, I find little idiosyncracies in the text that can be explained by cultural beliefs or attitudes of the time period. The readers would have to relate to this fig tree story in some manner. Was it common for people to yell at trees? Did nobody understand seasons? Were trees just confounding in general? What is with this fruit tree obsession?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'll bet most would do that in a restaruant with a menu, would they?

They'd never order.

Most consider the Bible to have more meaning to it than a menu.

Why don't you?