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Actually I usually have the opposite problem, people understand what I am say just fine. We can go over this again though. First of all I was asking a question about Evolution and Nutrition. Now perhaps I need to explain to you what I mean by the word: "Evolution" and the word: "Nutrition". That maybe why you are getting confused because you do not know the meaning of those words.

Then how about explain what YOU mean by evolution and nutrition. Because I have a very good feeling that it is completely different to what I and so many other people on this website know them to mean.
 
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That is why I always qualify what I say with the word TRUE: True Science says... I do not make any claims for false science or counterfeit science and there is a ton of that out there.

And how do you differentiate between science and "True Science"?
 
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And how do you differentiate between science and "True Science"?

Oh, that's easy: anything that agrees with his views is True Science, everything else is just science.
 
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We all know that a lot of evolutionary theory is not true. New information comes along all the time and the have to revise the theory to adapt to the new information.
When a theory is amended to accommodate new information, parts of the theory that were found to contradict reality aren't left as a part of the theory anymore. Yes, a lot of the evolutionary theory of Darwin's time was off, but we don't use the outdated one in practice. It's only taught as a historical start to the modern theory.

That is the nature of science in general. There are text books where they have to completely revise a chapter and that means they have to come out with a new addition. The Bible has remained consistent and unchanged for 3500 years. NO revisions and no updates needed.
1. There are many different versions of the bible, some with completely different content. The modern bible has a lot of the original books and chapters removed. It has been revised and edited.

2. Scientific theories being revised is a strength, not a weakness. When something in a theory is found to contradict reality or be incomplete, it is changed or even discarded. The bible hasn't been changed to move with knowledge, not because it fit reality so well that it would be uncalled for, but because people don't want to change the content. Pi does not equal three, you can't get striped goats by making them look at branches while they breed, so why is that stuff still in the bible when it contradicts reality? Because the bible isn't scientifically derived, and never has been. It was never written with a scientific process in mind.

I have said many, many times that there is no conflict between true science and the Bible.
The fact that the bible isn't even internally consistent shows that it is in conflict with science... and basic logic. Also, not accepting any scientific evidence that contradicts the bible as "true science" doesn't get rid of any conflict to anyone but yourself.

There is a lot to be concerned with in the Public school system but science is the least of the worries compared to the other issues.
That populations change over time is the OBSERVATION. Evolution is the explanation of the mechanism behind it. The bible has no alternative explanation for how populations would change over time, so I don't understand your beef with evolution specifically. It's not like biological evolution is the explanation for how life originated.
 
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1. There are many different versions of the bible, some with completely different content.
There are translations, we need to study the Bible in the original language. I do not think we can trust any of the translations to be 100% accurate. As we grow in understanding then we have a better understanding of the Bible. Yet the Bible remains consistent and unchanged for 3500 years.
 
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Pi does not equal three
Yes it does in the real world because the vessel has to exist. That means the vessel has to have thickness and when you use three that takes into consideration the thickness of the vessel. The number we use for Pi today is an imaginary number and does not exist because there is no thickness.

My son is a freshman in college and he can explain to me 12 different dimensions in Quantum Physics and string theory. Yet you're still having trouble conceptualizing three and four dimensions.
 
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Then how about explain what YOU mean by evolution and nutrition.
I do not have it all figured out. When we do have it all figured out we will have solved this level of existence. I plan to move to the next level on the next planet. So I will not be able to help you out when I am no longer here.
 
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I do not have it all figured out. When we do have it all figured out we will have solved this level of existence. I plan to move to the next level on the next planet. So I will not be able to help you out when I am no longer here.

... Wait, so you say, in your very first post that you know that evolution is not true, then in a later post say that you know more about evolution than anyone else, BUT THEN you say that you do not have it all figured out.
Then what was the point of this thread if you admit yourself that you do not have it figured out?!
 
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The bible has no alternative explanation for how populations would change over time
Both evolution and the Bible work off of common ancestor. Eden is a biodiverse ecosystem. It is not the whole biosphere. Our Biosphere is made up of many "Edens" on land and in the Sea. You can buy a used Biology test book for about $5 plus shipping and they can tell you a lot about Ecosystems. The Ecosystem in the Bible can be found in Ancient Mesopotamia in the Tigris Euphrates River valley. The Eden we read about in the Bible is currently believed to be under the Persian Gulf NORTH of the strait of hormuz. There is actually a battle going on there right now. It is very very common to be reading about a ancient site in the Bible and see that that location is in the news today. Happens to me all the time. Once I was doing a study of an ancient site and the current news came up and that site was filled with refugees from one of the current wars in the Middle East. There is a very strong connection between current events and ancient history.

Navy destroyer fires warning shots at Iranian vessels in Strait of Hormuz
 
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Yes it does in the real world because the vessel has to exist. That means the vessel has to have thickness and when you use three that takes into consideration the thickness of the vessel. The number we use for Pi today is an imaginary number and does not exist because there is no thickness.
-_- proof may not be a thing in science, but it is in math. Thickness wouldn't change the number if it retained a spherical or circular shape. Pi isn't an imaginary number (which refers to the square root of negative 1 and numbers related to it, and actually have a use). Pi is an irrational number, a designation which refers to the fact that its precise amount cannot be represented in fraction form (the closet to it being 22/7). And if you say the bible was rounding down, removing the decimal places would be a huge detriment to describing the dimensions accurately, to the point that a construction crew wouldn't be able to follow it.

If you substitute 3 for pi, you won't get a circle or a sphere, since it is the ratio between a circle's circumference and diameter. By definition, a circle or a sphere cannot have any other ratio between its circumference and diameter any more than by definition, a square can't have 5 sides.

My son is a freshman in college and he can explain to me 12 different dimensions in Quantum Physics and string theory. Yet you're still having trouble conceptualizing three and four dimensions.
I have poor spatial reasoning (something you actually didn't know about me), but I understand mathematical constants just fine, and have aced college calculus and physics despite the handicap through effort.

Don't know why you felt the need to insult my understanding of these concepts, seeing as I'm probably ahead of your son in terms of the math classes I have taken.
 
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Wait, so you say, in your very first post that you know that evolution is not true,
I said: "Everyone knows that Evolution is not true." You know that and have admitted it.

then in a later post say that you know more about evolution than anyone else
That is NOT what I said. I said I know more then MOST people about evolution. So far there has only been one person in this thread that knew enough about evolution to answer my questions. Everyone else is asking me questions.
 
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Both evolution and the Bible work off of common ancestor. Eden is a biodiverse ecosystem. It is not the whole biosphere. Our Biosphere is made up of many "Edens" on land and in the Sea. You can buy a used Biology test book for about $5 plus shipping and they can tell you a lot about Ecosystems. The Ecosystem in the Bible can be found in Ancient Mesopotamia in the Tigris Euphrates River valley. The Eden we read about in the Bible is currently believed to be under the Persian Gulf NORTH of the strait of hormuz. There is actually a battle going on there right now. It is very very common to be reading about a ancient site in the Bible and see that that location is in the news today. Happens to me all the time. Once I was doing a study of an ancient site and the current news came up and that site was filled with refugees from one of the current wars in the Middle East. There is a very strong connection between current events and ancient history.
None of this has anything to do with populations changing over time being explained by the bible. Describe where in the bible it says populations even change over time at all. If the bible never addresses the observation, it wouldn't likely have an explanation for the observation in its pages.
 
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I said: "Everyone knows that Evolution is not true." You know that and have admitted it.

I have not done that once! You are lying.

That is NOT what I said. I said I know more then MOST people about evolution. So far there has only been one person in this thread that knew enough about evolution to answer my questions. Everyone else is asking me questions.

Yes you did say that. In post #12, you clearly say: "I may not understand evolution, but I understand it better then 98% of the people in this WORLD."

And you never even asked a question. You made a completely incredulous claim, and then when pressed for further information, you have gone off on random tangents that have nothing to do with your own OP.
Now I have asked you this before but I will ask you again: what is the point of this thread?
 
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I said: "Everyone knows that Evolution is not true." You know that and have admitted it.
Presupposing the thoughts of others. I don't assume "everyone secretly doesn't believe deities exist" just because I don't believe in them.

That is NOT what I said. I said I know more then MOST people about evolution. So far there has only been one person in this thread that knew enough about evolution to answer my questions. Everyone else is asking me questions.
The questions are being asked to
1. get a better feel for your position. you beat around the bush a lot. How about you address the next 5 questions you are asked in 4 sentences or less?
2. Figure out if your claim of knowledge about evolution has any merit. Plenty of people boast about having knowledge, not realizing that some of what they think they know is actually inaccurate.
 
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The questions are being asked to
1. get a better feel for your position. you beat around the bush a lot. How about you address the next 5 questions you are asked in 4 sentences or less?
2. Figure out if your claim of knowledge about evolution has any merit. Plenty of people boast about having knowledge, not realizing that some of what they think they know is actually inaccurate.

I have asked him at least six times now to explain his OP better and he has not done so once.
 
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Thickness wouldn't change the number if it retained a spherical or circular shape.
pi-in-a-bible-5-638.jpg
 
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I have asked him at least six times now to explain his OP better and he has not done so once.
The first post was a question that has already been answered. Why do we need a better question when we already have the answer? Sometimes in the Bible people would ask Jesus a question. He would point out the error in their question and then He would restate the question and give the answer to that. Matthew 22:29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
 
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The first post was a question that has already been answered. Why do we need a better question when we already have the answer? Sometimes in the Bible people would ask Jesus a question. He would point out the error in their question and then He would restate the question and give the answer to that. Matthew 22:29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

What is the point of this thread?! That is the question I want answered. Now answer my question. Please!
 
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2. Figure out if your claim of knowledge about evolution has any merit.
Of course it does. Right here in this thread there was one person that was able to answer my questions. That means there is only one person in this thread that knows more about evolution than I do. Everyone else is asking me questions. Of course I do not know how many people reading the thread know more then me about evolution because they would see that my question has already been addressed so there is no reason for them to respond. Everyone in order to get a High School degree has to know a little bit about evolution. The question is HOW many people can pass a College Biology Exam? Why don't we start there with you answering that question for me. I claim that I know enough about the Theory of Evolution to get a passing grade on a College level Biology Exam. Now you tell me what percent of the people in the world today can make that claim. Let me help you out 6.7% Of World Has College Degree. Out of 6.7 percent of the people how many of them have a degree in Biology? How many of them can get a passing grade on a Biology exam. How about if we use one third for a number. That means 2.21% of the people have a better knowledge of Biology then I do IF they have a actual college degree in Biology. That of course is assuming that someone with a degree in biology knows more than someone that can pass a college class in Biology. My claim that I know more about evolution than 97% of the people is just a reflection of how little the theory of evolution is understood by the average person living in the world today.

Of the 1,840,000 bachelor's degrees conferred in 2012–13, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (361,000), health professions and related programs (181,000), social sciences and history (178,000), psychology (114,000), education (105,000), and biological and biomedical sciences (100,000).

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