Evolution & Diet

[Gene2memE]

In this case I am referring to the WW2 Vets that rebuilt this country after the end of WW2.

Wait a minute, aren't you American?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Swing and a miss, nice try though. Next time stick to what you can provide evidence for. In this case evolutionary theory is contradicted by Modern Medicine, more exactly the study of nutrition and diet. This is just an example of one of the many many many contradictions we find within science. As I stated from the beginning all we can do is go with our best guess. But just because we do not have a better explanation that does not mean that our best guess is right or accurate. It may work and it may not work. All you can do is roll the dice and take your chances.

Swing and a miss. Evolution is not disproved by modern medicine. In fact, modern medicine is evidence for evolution.

You REALLY need to learn what evolution ACTUALLY is, instead of making horribly wild and unevidenced claims. Like you always do.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So, why do nutritionists keep all the good information to themselves i.e. nutrition has more to do with digestion and elimination than any specific diet.

They do not "keep" information to themselves so much as there are a lot of big businesses that are spreading misinformation to sell their product and make more money. Their motive is not to provide us with a healthy diet. Their motive is to make money selling us whatever we want. If selling unhealthy food puts money in their pocket than that is what they are going to do. They will justify themselves by saying they would be glad to sell healthy food IF that put money in their pocket.

I had this discussion with my stock broker. He wanted me to buy stock in Coke. I said that Coke causes diabetes. He said that is fine, you can buy stock in the drug company that sells insulin. So I went to my doctor and asked him. He said that the people do not want to quit drinking coke. They would rather take the insulin and continue to drink the coke than to solve the problem with a proper diet.

I went though the classes and every day I watched people argue with the dietician because they wanted to continue to eat the unhealthy food that was making them sick. These were the people that showed up and were willing to take the classes compared to a significant number of people who refused to diet, they refused to exercise, they just wanted to take their chances on drugs and surgery.

Galatians 5 17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to one another, so that you do not do what you want.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wait a minute, aren't you American?

Yes, why? When the soldiers returned from war they had to get this country up and running again. We went from a war economy and supporting the war to a peacetime economy.

 

[joshua 1 9]

In fact, modern medicine is evidence for evolution.

It would appear that what you are saying based on my original premise that evolutionary theory is contradicted by the study of diet and nutrition in science. The controversial Paleo Diet is based on evolutionary science.

Some experts say modern humans should eat from a Stone Age menu. What's on it may surprise you.
The Evolution of Diet

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They do not "keep" information to themselves so much as there are a lot of big businesses that are spreading misinformation to sell their product and make more money. Their motive is not to provide us with a healthy diet. Their motive is to make money selling us whatever we want. If selling unhealthy food puts money in their pocket than that is what they are going to do. They will justify themselves by saying they would be glad to sell healthy food IF that put money in their pocket.

I had this discussion with my stock broker. He wanted me to buy stock in Coke. I said that Coke causes diabetes. He said that is fine, you can buy stock in the drug company that sells insulin. So I went to my doctor and asked him. He said that the people do not want to quit drinking coke. They would rather take the insulin and continue to drink the coke than to solve the problem with a proper diet.

I went though the classes and every day I watched people argue with the dietician because they wanted to continue to eat the unhealthy food that was making them sick. These were the people that showed up and were willing to take the classes compared to a significant number of people who refused to diet, they refused to exercise, they just wanted to take their chances on drugs and surgery.

Galatians 5 17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to one another, so that you do not do what you want.

Because of the positive economic impact on large sectors of the economy there is little urgency to find cures and remedies for our health problems. However I do believe science and government has an obligation to make sure everyone understands how to achieve good health. After that it's up to the individual.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It would appear that what you are saying based on my original premise that evolutionary theory is contradicted by the study of diet and nutrition in science. The Paleo Diet is based on evolutionary science.

Some experts say modern humans should eat from a Stone Age menu. What's on it may surprise you.
The Evolution of Diet

And it would appear that you don't understand anything about evolution.
And you STILL haven't followed through with my request for you to restate your OP clearly and concisely, because you're still not making sense.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The problem with paragraphs is that I am use to facebook where there are no paragraphs.

Something else you should learn to use properly - I avoid Facebook as much as I can, but I know Shift+Enter gives you a new paragraph.

For the rest of the diatribe, I don't see how your experience of dieting disproves evolution - care to explain? (or if I missed your point in that long screed, perhaps you could make it more concisely?).

 

[joshua 1 9]

I do believe science and government has an obligation to make sure everyone understands how to achieve good health. After that it's up to the individual.

They do that with the food label. Only they do not really make any attempt to get people to understand how to read those labels and apply them to their life. The labels go though revision and they are the best guess based on current information we have to work with. None of this is immutable and engraved in stone the way the ten commandments are.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Something else you should learn to use properly

I just forgot the editing capability is different on this site compared to that one.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What are you taking about?

Are you okay?

That post was an unattributed excerpt from 'The Half-Life of Facts' by Samuel Arbesman. Maybe the broken link was an attempt at attribution...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I just forgot the editing capability is different on this site compared to that one.

Please, just stop digging. Shift+Enter works here too...

See?

I sense a candidate for the Dunning-Kruger medal of honour...

 

[joshua 1 9]

For the rest of the diatribe, I don't see how your experience of dieting disproves evolution - care to explain? (or if I missed your point in that long screed, perhaps you could make it more concisely?).

We are talking about the Paleo diet to show the weakness of how the theory of evolution is applied in science today. We know that there were many Edens. So the question is what if you take people from one biodiverse ecosystem and put them into another biodiverse ecosystem. What sort of effect is the change in diet going to have on their health? They talk about how neanderthals mated with humans. Yet the diet of neanderthals and humans was different. So what sort of a diet do the offsprings of this union eat? If evolution is slow and gradual then how many generations does it take for the species to adapt to the new diet?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...The question then has to do with the Paleo Diet based on Evolutionary theory...

The Paleo diet is pseudoscientific hokum - because it's not based on evolutionary theory. If it was, it would acknowledge that we are significantly different from our paleolithic ancestors.

 

[Gene2memE]

Yes, why? When the soldiers returned from war they had to get this country up and running again. We went from a war economy and supporting the war to a peacetime economy.

Returning GI's didn't "rebuilt this country after the end of WW2". The country was running fine in their absence. 1938-1945 saw one of the greatest wealth transfers in history, from European states to the US (second only to 1914-1919), and a period of unparalleled growth of the US economy.

You've got one of the oddest views of history I've come across. Considering your competition on this website, that's saying something indeed.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

We are talking about the Paleo diet to show the weakness of how the theory of evolution is applied in science today.

The Paleo diet shows the weakness of understanding of evolution among fad nutritionists - or maybe just their weakness for money, knowing it might sound plausible to a gullible fad-addicted dieting public.

...what if you take people from one biodiverse ecosystem and put them into another biodiverse ecosystem. What sort of effect is the change in diet going to have on their health?

That depends on the differences between the ecosystems, the diet of the people, and their evolutionary adaptation to it. There are plenty of examples of societies moving from one dietary lifestyle to another in one or two generations. Why not do some online searches?

They talk about how neanderthals mated with humans. Yet the diet of neanderthals and humans was different. So what sort of a diet do the offsprings of this union eat?

That would depend whether they were raised by Neanderthals or humans - there wasn't a great difference in their respective diets - roughly 80% meat, 20% veg, although humans might have eaten more fish...

If evolution is slow and gradual then how many generations does it take for the species to adapt to the new diet?

That depends on how different the diet is - humans and Neanderthals were omnivores, able to digest a very wide range of foods. In the presence of strong selection pressures, evolution can work surprisingly quickly, but why would it need to in this case? The genes of the offspring of mixed matings of Neanderthals and humans would blend into their respective human or Neanderthal populations. No new species would be involved.

But what's your point?

And what relevance does that plot of male vs female life expectancy around the world have?

 

[MissRowy]

As I said in my previous post the Paleo diet is only really recommended for those with diabetes. Otherwise forget it. If you want a diet that works I can show you one.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

As I said in my previous post the Paleo diet is only really recommended for those with diabetes. Otherwise forget it. If you want a diet that works I can show you one.

And also regular exercise works a treat. Eating the right foods does jack all by itself.

 

[MissRowy]

Totally agree. Exercise does play a part in it. And it doesn't have to be much either.

 

[HitchSlap]

Totally agree. Exercise does play a part in it. And it doesn't have to be much either.

One hour a day, everyday - getting your heart rate up to 80% of your max rate.