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Evolution/Creation on Trial

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RickG

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Interesting how this is the 6th extinction that we are going though and the Bible says we are at the end of the 6th day. So we see the same theme play itself in a lot of different ways. There does seem to be a correlation and that is why I accept both YEC and OEC creationism. They are both correct from their rather limited perspective. Even though I am a dispensationalist.

Even more interesting is that you guys extract the data you only want to use and ignore everything that doesn't support your position. There are 5 Major Extinction Events, and 20 Lesser Extinction Events. Which 6 are you picking and why?
 
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Even more interesting is that you guys extract the data you only want to use and ignore everything that doesn't support your position. There are 5 Major Extinction Events, and 20 Lesser Extinction Events. Which 6 are you picking and why?
I am just going by the article that said this is the sixth extinction. Everyone extracts the data they want to use. No one owns the exclusive rights to that.
 
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The right reasons to reject evolution theory are the lack of acnowledgement that freedom is real in the theory, and the social darwinism, atheism, nazism, communism etc. associated to evolution theory.
The theory of evolution has nothing to do with any of that. Show me where in the scientific literature when the slightest indication alludes to any of that. And by ignoring the point I was making, I gather you also approve of the deliberate misrepresentation of science by the creation science organizations. Never mind the 9th commandment.
 
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The theory of evolution has nothing to do with any of that. Show me where in the scientific literature when the slightest indication alludes to any of that. And by ignoring the point I was making, I gather you also approve of the deliberate misrepresentation of science by the creation science organizations. Never mind the 9th commandment.

Thou shall not misrepresent?
 
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I wouldn't want to be you and have to deny all this everyday of my life, the cognitive dissonance must be enormous.
My wife appreciates your sympathy. I have read some of Francis Collins books. I mostly agree with him but not on everything. Of course he is a director and in a place where people respect his opinions. Also he is dealing with more then theory. He has to get it to work in the real world. They use his work for mapping genetic disorders and that has far reaching implications for the future of health care and many other applications. Both of my brothers are directors.
 
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Exactly evolutionists can present no evidence. So their belief in Macro Evolution is based on their personal faith and belief. Esp when the whole theory hinges on a mutations theory. It takes a LOT of faith to believe that something good comes out of mistakes and errors. In fact the whole bio diverse biosphere is said to be a product of mutations.
It doesn't take any faith, it takes evidence and only evidence. I'll ask you again, explain the fossil record without evolution. Why don't we see dinosaurs or rabbits in the Devonian Period? Why don't we see kangaroos in in the Jurassic Period? Why don't we see humans in the Silurian Period? If evolution were false we would?
 
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I am just going by the article that said this is the sixth extinction. Everyone extracts the data they want to use. No one owns the exclusive rights to that.

Wrong.

Not everyone focuses on just some data and ignores other data, that is usually reserved for those engaging in confirmation bias, because they are trying to protect a certain belief, as you do when you ignore all the evidence that supports macro evolution and focus only on articles that support what you want to believe.

The data is the data, it isn't going away because some don't like it.
 
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My wife appreciates your sympathy. I have read some of Francis Collins books. I mostly agree with him but not on everything. Of course he is a director and in a place where people respect his opinions. Also he is dealing with more then theory. He has to get it to work in the real world. They use his work for mapping genetic disorders and that has far reaching implications for the future of health care and many other applications. Both of my brothers are directors.

What do you think the reasons are, people respect the opinion of Collins when it comes to evolution?
 
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I am just going by the article that said this is the sixth extinction. Everyone extracts the data they want to use. No one owns the exclusive rights to that.
No, using only the data that supports ones position and ignoring all the data that does not is what the scientific community terms as "intellectual dishonesty" and doesn't tolerate.
 
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Wrong.

Not everyone focuses on just some data and ignores other data,
Not everyone indicates that some if not most people do. This is not a major issue here, it is just a tit for tat. Still most everyone will pick and choose. For example I noticed that the Chinese people pick and choose different from the Americans. For example they tend not to own a dryer as they like to hang their clothing outside to dry. American tend to choose to dry their clothing in a machine.
 
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Bear false witness. You don't think misrepresentation of something is wrong?

Well....folks frequently claim that Collins supports evolution without revealing what kind of evolution Collins supports. I think thou shalt not mislead is applicable here.
 
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Not everyone indicates that some if not most people do. This is not a major issue here, it is just a tit for tat. Still most everyone will pick and choose. For example I noticed that the Chinese people pick and choose different from the Americans. For example they tend not to own a dryer as they like to hang their clothing outside to dry. American tend to choose to dry their clothing in a machine.
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No, using only the data that supports ones position and ignoring all the data that does not is what the scientific community terms as "intellectual dishonesty" and doesn't tolerate.
I wish that were true. When the drug company submitted the research to the government. But you can bet your last dollar if the study does not support their claim they try to hide that study. Just like the Atkins people are trying to hide the report that shows Dr Atkins died at 71 after multiple heart attacks and he weighed 265 pounds. So much for the high fat - high protein, low Carb diet. But they still want to cash in on selling that diet so they try to hide the evidence that it is harmful to your health.
 
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I wish that were true. When the drug company submitted the research to the government. But you can bet your last dollar if the study does not support their claim they try to hide that study. Just like the Atkins people are trying to hide the report that shows Dr Atkins died at 71 after multiple heart attacks and he weighed 265 pounds. So much for the high fat - high protein, low Carb diet. But they still want to cash in on selling that diet so they try to hide the evidence that it is harmful to your health.

Drug companies don't submit their independent research to the government to get drugs approved. Ever hear of the FDA? They oversee drug trials and research and make the final call. In fact, many people feel the FDA is too strict and cautious, which is why some people travel to other countries to be able to get more experimental drugs.

Atkins? Who cares what the Atkins people do, they are not involved in scientific studies. And if you know he had heart attacks and weighed 265 pounds, it appears this is knowledge available to people who seek it.

Lastly, because one person died who touts a certain diet, has zero bearing on whether that diet is wrong for some people. Let's say, small sample size for starters.

Remember Jim Fixx? The guy who started stimulated running in the United States, who just so happened to drop dead of a massive heart attack while running when he was fairly young. Does this mean no one should exercise?
 
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Well....folks frequently claim that Collins supports evolution without revealing what kind of evolution Collins supports. I think thou shalt not mislead is applicable here.
You still didn't answer my question. If you do not wish to do so, the please just say so, and I won't ask you again.

One more try. Do you approve of misrepresenting science?
 
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You still didn't answer my question. If you do not wish to do so, the please just say so, and I won't ask you again.

One more try. Do you approve of misrepresenting science?

Of course not. Do you approve of misrepresenting Collins' position on evolution?
 
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Nothing new has ever been added. What "already exists" is merely written in a new format. If one starts with CAT one can never get CATG. You have not one single viable way for new genes to have been created.

I appear to be quoting someone I have on ignore, but this quote is so wrong it warranted attention.

We have dozens of examples of starting with "CAT" and winding up with "CATG". It's called gene duplication. There's also chromosomal and whole genome duplication.

Genome duplication in stem vertebrates leading to a variety of globin genes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22846683

Two examples of gene duplication in humans leading to brain development and complexity.
SRGAP2C
http://www.nature.com/news/human-brain-shaped-by-duplicate-genes-1.10584
ARHGAP11B
http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2015/02/xeroxed-gene-may-have-paved-way-large-human-brain
 
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