Evolution Between Species: Essential Questions

[Commander]

Not a hoax.

Here are the supposed bones of Australopithecus afarensis(Lucy). Notice the lack of facial bones-including the brow ridge, the lack of hand bones, and there are no bones of the feet. Also remember the knee bone was found 200 feet deeper, than the other bones.

Here is a picture of "Lucy" after the evolutionist have "done their work" with the bones that were found. Now, notice the face, the hands, and the feet. Notice how human like they are. Do you think someone monkeyed with the monkey? Is it so that you would believe in the fallacy of evolution? Truth, it will set you free. Now, you can say that a Creationist debunked Lucy!

 

[sfs]

Donkeys are not sterile, they are crossed by man with a horse to get the mule. It is only by man's intervention that mules are produced.

Sorry, I meant mules. Donkeys are not sterile. Horses are not sterile. Fruit fly population 1 is not sterile. Fruit fly population 2 is not sterile. Do you understand those facts?

We were discussing mosquitoes and mules.

Fruit flies, not mosquitoes.

You also realized that the fruit fly has 4 chromosomes, no more, no less?

Four pairs of chromosomes, more precisely. Why does that matter?

 

[sfs]

Here are the supposed bones of Australopithecus afarensis(Lucy). Notice the lack of facial bones-including the brow ridge, the lack of hand bones, and there are no bones of the feet.

Note the lack of any indication of fraud. You said something about fraud, didn't you?

Also remember the knee bone was found 200 feet deeper, than the other bones.

I can't remember things that didn't happen. Lucy's bones were found together.

Here is a picture of "Lucy" after the evolutionist have "done their work" with the bones that were found.

That's a speculative reconstruction for popular consumption. The science is done with the bones they found. Have you read any of the papers on Lucy?

Where's the fraud? Scientific fraud is a really serious accusation. You wouldn't be making it based on hearsay and rumors, would you?

 

[sfs]

How did organic matter come from inorganic matter?

I don't know -- the answer to that question makes no difference to what I study.

 

[Commander]

Fruit flies, not mosquitoes.

My bad, they are still sterile.

Four pairs of chromosomes, more precisely. Why does that matter?

They did not change. did they? They are still fruit flies, nothing more, nothing less.

Note the lack of any indication of fraud. You said something about fraud, didn't you?

Really! It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one.

Lucy's bones were found together.

You should read about Kappelman report.

Where's the fraud? Scientific fraud is a really serious accusation. You wouldn't be making it based on hearsay and rumors, would you?

Just observation, is not that what science is all about? Observe the photo's for yourself.

 

[Commander]

I don't know -- the answer to that question makes no difference to what I study.

Then you should study more, if that's what you believe in.

 

[Speedwell]

Then you should study more, if that's what you believe in.

And so should you. You need to learn what the theory of evolution actually says, not what some Creationist propaganda mill tells you it says.
You still won't agree with it, but at least you will be arguing against the real theory, not some straw man.

 

[Commander]

And so should you. You need to learn what the theory of evolution actually says, not what some Creationist propaganda mill tells you it says.
You still won't agree with it, but at least you will be arguing against the real theory, not some straw man.

And you should study to where the theory comes from. It's dead and stinking, and has been for two thousand years, or since Jesus Christ!

 

[RickG]

And you should study to where the theory comes from. It's dead and stinking, and has been for two thousand years, or since Jesus Christ!

Commander, I in particular don't care if you reject the theory of evolution. From my perspective I just would like to see you reject based on your religious beliefs rather than the dishonest misrepresented science from creationist sites.

 

[sfs]

My bad, they are still sterile.

No, the fruit flies are not sterile. As far as I can tell, you have understood nothing at all about this example.

They did not change. did they?

Yes, they changed. As I said, you don't understand this example at all. Apparently you don't care, either.

They are still fruit flies, nothing more, nothing less.

They're different fruit flies. In fact, they're now different species of fruit flies. Which is evolution. Evolution does not require the number of chromosomes to change, you know.

Really! It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one.

You accused scientists of fraud. What you showed wasn't fraud. Bearing false witness is not a good thing.

Just observation, is not that what science is all about?

No.

 

[Commander]

Commander, I in particular don't care if you reject the theory of evolution. From my perspective I just would like to see you reject based on your religious beliefs rather than the dishonest misrepresented science from creationist sites.

Rick-evolution is a religion! Study the history, or the origins of evolution. It is far older than Charles Darwin. Truth, it will set you free, brother.

 

[Hieronymus]

And so should you. You need to learn what the theory of evolution actually says, not what some Creationist propaganda mill tells you it says.
You still won't agree with it, but at least you will be arguing against the real theory, not some straw man.

Who are you kidding bud...

 

[Hieronymus]

Commander, I in particular don't care if you reject the theory of evolution. From my perspective I just would like to see you reject based on your religious beliefs rather than the dishonest misrepresented science from creationist sites.

Dude, wake up, the evo claims have no evidence to back it up.

 

[Speedwell]

Dude, wake up, the evo claims have no evidence to back it up.

No evidence for what?

Before you make that claim you need to know what the theory of evolution actually says so you know what kind of evidence would be needed to back it up.

 

[Hieronymus]

No evidence for what?

Before you make that claim you need to know what the theory of evolution actually says so you know what kind of evidence would be needed to back it up.

You must have ignored so much of what science has discovered since Darwin, to still hold on to that silly 19th century conjecture.
And now you say creationists and ID-ers are ignorant??
You don't even know their case against naturalistic beliefs.

 

[Commander]

No, the fruit flies are not sterile. As far as I can tell, you have understood nothing at all about this example.

So, if they are not sterile, then they can produce. Glad you realized that.

Yes, they changed. As I said, you don't understand this example at all. Apparently you don't care, either.

Did they change into something other than a fruit fly with 4 pair of chromosomes? Do they have more or less than 4 pair of chromosomes?

They're different fruit flies. In fact, they're now different species of fruit flies. Which is evolution. Evolution does not require the number of chromosomes to change, you know.

They don't, hum. Did you know that an ape has 48 chromosomes, and man has only 46? They maybe a hybrid, but they are still only fruit flies. They have a common ancestor. I am a gardener. I raise fruits, vegetables and herbs. Did you know that the mint genus contains over 7500 species, but they are all mints(that means they have a common ancestor[if you will], or they all have similar characteristics).

You accused scientists of fraud. What you showed wasn't fraud. Bearing false witness is not a good thing.

No, it is not good to bear false witness. Therefore you should look at the face, hands and feet. Just think, they made something from nothing, just like they did with Nebraska Man, where they took the tooth of a pig, and made a man and his wife to put in textbooks. A man from the tooth of a pig, yeah-to get you to believe in the fallacy of evolution. Nebraska Man was a name applied to Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, a putative species of ape. ... ancestor that turned out to be a hoax."

No.

No, it also calls for experimentation. I have raised and bred chickens for more than forty years. I crossed a Dominique with a Turken, guess what I got? A chicken-with traits from each parent. What do you know-I am a scientist, I can cross these breeds over and over and through observation, I know I get a chicken. Evolution is a religion! Truth, it will set you free.

 

[Speedwell]

You must have ignored so much of what science has discovered since Darwin, to still hold on to that silly 19th century conjecture.

So what are these discoveries, oh wise one? I am only aware that science of evolution has moved well beyond Darwin, and now has a firm footing in molecular biology that Darwin never dreamed of.

And now you say creationists and ID-ers are ignorant??

They are ignorant of what the theory of evolution actually claims if they rely solely on Creationist propaganda mills for that information.

You don't even know their case against naturalistic beliefs.

I know that it is based on their laughable attempts to confuse the methodological naturalism of science with the metaphysical naturalism of atheism.

 

[Commander]

Dude, wake up, the evo claims have no evidence to back it up.

Shh-keep it quite, they don't know that.

 

[RickG]

Rick-evolution is a religion! Study the history, or the origins of evolution. It is far older than Charles Darwin. Truth, it will set you free, brother.

Then we disagree.

 

[RickG]

Dude, wake up, the evo claims have no evidence to back it up.

Then you can explain the fossil record distributed throughout the geologic column without evolution? Go for it.