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Evolution = Athiesm

What made you become an athiest?

  • Evolution

  • Personal Reasons

  • Logical Reasons

  • I'm not an athiest and I don't accept evolution

  • I'm not an athiest and I accept evolution


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The main problem I see in the Fundamentalist Christian community is the belief that acceptance of evolution is tantamount to athiesm. Everyone knows that the existence of a creator being cannot be proven or disproven though it seems some people use evolution to try to disprove the existence of a god(s). I believe this is wrong. If you want Christians to accept evolution the last thing you want to do is use evolution to disprove the existence of God. Athiesm is usually based on personal decisions.
The point of this thread is to figure out who became athiest because of evolution, who became athiest because of personal/logical reasons, and, if you are a member of any faith, how have you reconciled your religious faith and the fact of evolution?
 

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Evolution is not atheistic. Atheists cling to the theory because their worldview would be shattered by the alternative explanation; but their pro-abortion, pro-gay ideologies should be rejected on the Darwinian principles they claim to embrace.

The fact is, the first people to comment on the mutable nature of species were Christians. You had Lord Monboddo (the first to actually suggest man was descended from apes, by way of natural selection), Comte de Buffon, Lyell and others. Moreover, three of the five founding fathers of twentieth-century evolutionary biology were Christian.
 
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Evolution is not atheistic. Atheists cling to the theory because their worldview would be shattered by the alternative explanation; but their pro-abortion, pro-gay ideologies should be rejected on the Darwinian principles they claim to embrace.
No, I "cling" to it because I'm studying FRACKING BIOLOGY! And homosexuality has an evolutionary explanation: link. The abortion comment was a complete non-sequitur.

And I accepted evolution long before I lost my faith.
 
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Evolution is not atheistic. Atheists cling to the theory because their worldview would be shattered by the alternative explanation; but their pro-abortion, pro-gay ideologies should be rejected on the Darwinian principles they claim to embrace.


Well, are there any athiests that don't accept evolution? I think many creationists cling to their beliefs because their worldview would be shattered by the truth of evolution.
Your statement displays a great deal of arrogance and retardedness. I'm borderline athiest but I am not pro-choice. I feel that if you think you are mature enough to have (consensual) sex you are mature enough to deal with the consequences. I also feel that homosexuals have the right to be happy.
In regards to the OP, sometimes I feel that the YEC "all or nothing" Bible mentality creates more athiests than anything else. How many athiests attend this site that use to be YEC? How many YEC's do we have that use to be athiest?
 
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I don't cling to evolution, I accept it because it is the only good explanation for the evidence so far. Genesis doesn't explain the evidence at all (but then I don't hold that against the whole Bible).
 
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their pro-abortion, pro-gay ideologies should be rejected on the Darwinian principles they claim to embrace.

Is/ought fallacy. Accepting the fact that the theory of evolution is backed up by mountains of evidence from multiple independent fields and has never been falsified is not a reason to adhere to any moral "principles". Just because we have evolved due to genes whose "purpose" is to produce copies of themselves doesn't mean we think producing copies of one's genes should be a moral imperative.
 
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Personally I became atheist after studying christian theology. I still havn't figured out how they can claim a god that will condemn you to eternal suffering for the heinous crime of not flattering him enough is "good", "just" or "loving".
 
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It's my opinion that science of any kind can't be used to disprove or prove the existence of gods. Science is for finding out about the natural world and universe we inhabit, and for discovering ways to put that knowledge to use. If there's a god outside of that, then it's outside, where we cannot look, since we are pretty well confined to the known universe.

Creationism is so rare in my country, and so extremely rare in my end of it, that I've hardly ever met a creationist. Creationists are figments from afar, flittering across my monitor, fantastical figures dispensing fanciful fictions. (Hmm.Ran outta 'fs')

I'd have to combine the reasons in this poll for my agnostic atheism: personal and logical. Evolution had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

hulday153 says: "Evolution is not atheistic. Atheists cling to the theory because their worldview would be shattered by the alternative explanation; but their pro-abortion, pro-gay ideologies should be rejected on the Darwinian principles they claim to embrace. "

This is like me saying all Christian preachers are child molesters because some Catholic priests are. There are homophobic atheists. I know a few. There are anti-abortion atheists. I know a few of them, as well.

Darwin's principles were the foundation of evolutionary science. They aren't some kind of moral framework to be 'embraced'. Do people 'embrace' Newtonian principles as a set of moral guides?

That said, neither abortion nor homosexuality are 'anti-Darwinian', or rather, neither conflicts in any manner with what we know of evolution. There are any number of possible evolutionary advantages to a population having a percentage of homosexual members, and there are similar advantages to having the ability to abort fetuses.

Hypothetically:

Homosexual tribe members who may choose not to mate and bear children have more time to contribute to the family or tribe, by hunting or gathering for longer spaces of time, or by spending more time making tools, containers, medicines. That could be a real advantage for a small group of hunter-gatherers.

There are mammals (such as rabbits) which experience adsorption - their body absorbs already existing embryos or fetuses when the animal percieves the time is not right, food may be scarce. Other mammals, in the same conditions, eat their young at birth. Human women, if they are starving, often stop menstruating, and become less likely to conceive or to have an embryo implant successfully. Aborting when the time is not right is an evolutionary advantage, no matter how it is accomplished.
 
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Personally I became atheist after studying christian theology. I still havn't figured out how they can claim a god that will condemn you to eternal suffering for the heinous crime of not flattering him enough is "good", "just" or "loving".

Repped and seconded.
 
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I guess wanting to find a god (or at least something) and not seeing any sign of it counts as personal? :scratch:

Chalnoth: interesting. Maybe someone should do a study limiting investigation to homosexuality in first sons? I'm sure this could be teased apart somehow.
 
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I guess wanting to find a god (or at least something) and not seeing any sign of it counts as personal? :scratch:

Chalnoth: interesting. Maybe someone should do a study limiting investigation to homosexuality in first sons? I'm sure this could be teased apart somehow.
Probably, but it would be difficult. And though I must mention that I do find it interesting where homosexuality comes from biologically, I must also mention that it is completely and utterly irrelevant as far as how we should deal with it is concerned.

Consider, for a moment, that it is entirely possible that rape is a biological adaptation. That is, it is possible that human rape is a response that was positively selected for in our biological past as a way to get around womens' choice. Women tend to prefer mates who are high in status. So if a male is low in status, it makes biological sense for him to circumvent this choice, because he may not get a chance to reproduce otherwise.

I honestly hope everybody reading this thinks this is positively gruesome. And it is. Evolution is a revolting process, where its moral implications are concerned, and we should revolt against it. That a particular feature about us provides some reproductive benefit is in no way, shape, or form an indication that such a thing is good or even acceptable. To go down this route might force us to think rape is acceptable!

No, we should consider homosexuality to be quite acceptable simply because nobody is harmed. A healthy homosexual relationship is choice between consenting adults. It's just nobody else's business what they do.
 
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Consider, for a moment, that it is entirely possible that rape is a biological adaptation. That is, it is possible that human rape is a response that was positively selected for in our biological past as a way to get around womens' choice. Women tend to prefer mates who are high in status. So if a male is low in status, it makes biological sense for him to circumvent this choice, because he may not get a chance to reproduce otherwise.
I think I should add here that there are species where rape is actually normal behavior. "When they pair off with mating partners, often one or several drakes will end up "left out". This group will sometimes target an isolated female duck — chasing, pestering and pecking at her until she weakens (a phenomenon referred to by researchers as rape flight), at which point each male will take turns copulating with the female." (link).
 
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Chalnoth: very true.

I think I should add here that there are species where rape is actually normal behavior. "When they pair off with mating partners, often one or several drakes will end up "left out". This group will sometimes target an isolated female duck — chasing, pestering and pecking at her until she weakens (a phenomenon referred to by researchers as rape flight), at which point each male will take turns copulating with the female." (link).
Hehe, just this spring I saw two mallards trying to have the same female. They were chasing and fighting both each other and the poor girl. She must have had a bad time but it was hilarious to watch.
 
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Chalnoth is right, of course. 'Natural' does not imply 'ethical' nor does 'un-natural' imply 'immoral'.

On birds: A housemate of mine who kept a small free-range flock of chickens, including several roosters, was gifted with two factory chickens. When he first put them in the run, they couldn't stand up or walk, and at night he had to put them up in the roost. They didn't even eat at first - feed not moving on a conveyor didn't immediately register as food, I guess. They were completely helpless.

Normally the hens would choose whether or not to comply with the roosters' advances. These hens just sat there. The roosters didn't even fight over them - they just lined up and took turns at them for as long as they weren't interrupted by humans. I don't suppose it was actual 'rape', since the factory hens gave no sign of their compliance or objection. It was appalling to watch (or I found it so).

Although we both thought those two hens were destined for dinner, within two weeks they completely recovered, learned to feed, run around, roost, eat bugs and weeds, found their place in the flock, and figured out how to say 'no' to a rooster.
 
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No, I "cling" to it because I'm studying FRACKING BIOLOGY! And homosexuality has an evolutionary explanation: link. The abortion comment was a complete non-sequitur.

And I accepted evolution long before I lost my faith.

Fair enough.

Nice sig btw. That's close to what I believe. :thumbsup:
 
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