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God does not fools us, we fool ourselves, because we do not yet understand the science involved.
I tried to find the name of the program, but their TV schedule was incomplete - meaning, may be local satelite companies air what they want in those times based on what has proven statistically popular, or they are lazy. In either case, it was scientist saying we do not know the age of the universe, not me.
Oh, we are becoming more intelligent... we are continuously learning more... we are continuously gaining a better understanding, but God's work is amazingly complexed, for we still do not even understand the human body and how it functions. For we have mapped the human body, disassembled and thoroughly analyzed it, and yet, there is so much we do not know or even understand.
God does not fools us, we fool ourselves, because we do not yet understand the science involved.
I tried to find the name of the program, but their TV schedule was incomplete - meaning, may be local satelite companies air what they want in those times based on what has proven statistically popular, or they are lazy. In either case, it was scientist saying we do not know the age of the universe, not me.
Oh, we are becoming more intelligent... we are continuously learning more... we are continuously gaining a better understanding, but God's work is amazingly complexed, for we still do not even understand the human body and how it functions. For we have mapped the human body, disassembled and thoroughly analyzed it, and yet, there is so much we do not know or even understand.
Hi adimus
You don't know me -- I was hanging around here for a while but haven't been back for several months. Basically I got a bit tired of the same old fallacies, AV's puerile sophistry, drive-by PRATTs, etc etc, and I couldn't really afford to waste the time. But someone [you know who you are, and I shake my fist at you!] PMed me and that prompted me to pop over and see what was going on. Eh, same old nonsense. OK, well, I guess I'll just close this tab and go do something pro.duc...t.... And that was when I read your post.
My heart was simultaneously gladdened and saddened (it's an odd feeling, I'll tell ya!). I was raised a creationist. Suffice it to say: I changed.It gives me hope to hear stories of others who have the courage to change their views based on good ol' fashioned logic, reason, and evidence. (And it sounds like you were more entrenched in your beliefs than I ever was, so I'm very impressed that you could be that open-minded and courageous.) But it also saddens me that you feel you have to be "in the closet" about this. I understand, certainly, and I'm not saying you shouldn't be -- it's just so sad that that has to be the case. Feel the Christian love, huh?
Anyway, I just thought you should be heartily commended for what you've done. (I'm surprised that I'm the first to say all this, actually.) Take care! And have fun pulling the rug from under AV's uberliteral feet, but don't let him drag you down to his level -- it isn't worth the effort.
Where does everyone get those cartoony avatars?
We keep getting hung up on time... how old is the average diamond? Millions of years, right? yet, Man-made diamonds that fool all testing take about 3-days
Of course your god could, but did he? Or did he use the natural processes he created for the task?We keep getting hung up on time... how old is the average diamond? Millions of years, right? yet, Man-made diamonds that fool all testing take about 3-days - some are flawless and some contain the same natural flaws of an actual diamond. So again, I say to you, if we can produce diamonds that appear to take millions of years, yet only take 3-days, cannot God, maker of all that is seen and unseen do the same? YES HE CAN! YES HE DID!
That is not what the fossil record shows us. It shows us insects and fish came before reptiles and fowl. The rise in oxygen was the result of widespread photosynthesis, and was not "sudden." We might see eye to eye if you can accept the fossil record for what it is, and stop using the Bible as a science book.God created all the animals, insects, reptiles, fish, fowl, plants all at about the same time, and science shows an sudden explosion of life with a sudden rise in oxygen... Hmmmm, if we can get past this timing issue, I think we may be seeing eye to eye.
We keep getting hung up on time... how old is the average diamond? Millions of years, right? yet, Man-made diamonds that fool all testing take about 3-days -
It does not take months for a tomato plant to bear fruit from the seedling stage. Through the use of hormones we can do it in weeks. This proves that anyone who says tomatoes take time to grow is a fool!
All hail Cartoon Physics
*LMCO* Good luck finding any foodstuff that isn't inherently "artificial."indeed, only a fool would feed his child foodstuffs laced with synthetic hormones. Beware of Greeks bearing misinformation
indeed, only a fool would feed his child foodstuffs laced with synthetic hormones. Beware of Greeks bearing misinformation
We keep getting hung up on time... how old is the average diamond? Millions of years, right? yet, Man-made diamonds that fool all testing take about 3-days - some are flawless and some contain the same natural flaws of an actual diamond. So again, I say to you, if we can produce diamonds that appear to take millions of years, yet only take 3-days, cannot God, maker of all that is seen and unseen do the same? YES HE CAN! YES HE DID!
God created all the animals, insects, reptiles, fish, fowl, plants all at about the same time, and science shows an sudden explosion of life with a sudden rise in oxygen... Hmmmm, if we can get past this timing issue, I think we may be seeing eye to eye.
i liked that part where you left out her name.Ok, you say God does not exist... But we have numerous miracles, witnessed by both the faithful and the non-believing scientific community. I know of one - a local woman with brain cancer. Medical Science did all that they could, but the cancer was just too fast growing, and nothing was slowing it down. With all options exhausted, doctors released her to go home to die. The woman, took this time to say goodbye to her family, and hug her children. She was ready, and she prayed for the Father to come take her home. But instead of dying, she saw this light and heard a voice say, "It's your time... Now get up, you're healed, and go enjoy your family." When she awoke, her cancer was 100% gone. It did not slowly shrink away, it was gone. The medical community could not explain it, and simply told the TV Reporters, "It is a true miracle, for there are no explanations for it."
sounds like he cracked to me. that the world was too cruel to face, so he withdrew into a fantasy land where he could some day find is daughter again. It happens to the best of us. Again though, you forgot to include a name.Now, I have a freind, who lost his faith when his 13-year-old daughter was kidnapped, raped repeatly, and then stabbed over 150 times. So brutal was her death, that she was unrecognizable. "How could there be a God, and he let something like this happen to my baby!" It took 15-years and the suicide death of another of one of his teenage children, for him to regain his faith, as he says, "The Lord cradled him."
Ok, you say God does not exist... But we have numerous miracles, witnessed by both the faithful and the non-believing scientific community.
I know of one - a local woman with brain cancer. Medical Science did all that they could, but the cancer was just too fast growing, and nothing was slowing it down. With all options exhausted, doctors released her to go home to die. The woman, took this time to say goodbye to her family, and hug her children. She was ready, and she prayed for the Father to come take her home. But instead of dying, she saw this light and heard a voice say, "It's your time... Now get up, you're healed, and go enjoy your family." When she awoke, her cancer was 100% gone. It did not slowly shrink away, it was gone. The medical community could not explain it, and simply told the TV Reporters, "It is a true miracle, for there are no explanations for it."
Now, I have a freind, who lost his faith when his 13-year-old daughter was kidnapped, raped repeatly, and then stabbed over 150 times. So brutal was her death, that she was unrecognizable. "How could there be a God, and he let something like this happen to my baby!" It took 15-years and the suicide death of another of one of his teenage children, for him to regain his faith, as he says, "The Lord craddled him."
Can I physical prove God exists... No... But neither can you prove he doesn't exist. I can prove God exist in numerous verifiable medical miracles. Miracles that have left Medical Science shaking their heads.
Ok, you say God does not exist... But we have numerous miracles, witnessed by both the faithful and the non-believing scientific community. I know of one - a local woman with brain cancer. Medical Science did all that they could, but the cancer was just too fast growing, and nothing was slowing it down. With all options exhausted, doctors released her to go home to die. The woman, took this time to say goodbye to her family, and hug her children. She was ready, and she prayed for the Father to come take her home. But instead of dying, she saw this light and heard a voice say, "It's your time... Now get up, you're healed, and go enjoy your family." When she awoke, her cancer was 100% gone. It did not slowly shrink away, it was gone. The medical community could not explain it, and simply told the TV Reporters, "It is a true miracle, for there are no explanations for it."
Now, I have a freind, who lost his faith when his 13-year-old daughter was kidnapped, raped repeatly, and then stabbed over 150 times. So brutal was her death, that she was unrecognizable. "How could there be a God, and he let something like this happen to my baby!" It took 15-years and the suicide death of another of one of his teenage children, for him to regain his faith, as he says, "The Lord craddled him."
Can I physical prove God exists... No... But neither can you prove he doesn't exist. I can prove God exist in numerous verifiable medical miracles. Miracles that have left Medical Science shaking their heads.
You left a few out ---Nice God yours; he saves a handful while leaving myriads to a life of destitution, wars, genocides, disease, and untold misery.
Hebrews 11:35b-40 said:...and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 ( Of whom the world was not worthy: ) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
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