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This is a major reason you guys are so intolerant of us. You deny the Bible, basic doctrine, and suppositions.

What's next? denying us?

We don't need to deny anything, your beliefs have already done it for us. Viewing the real world as tainted and untrustworthy gives you no way of knowing if the Bible, being part of the real world, isn't tainted and untrustworthy. That's your problem, not ours.
 
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QV please: Verbal Plenary Inspiration.

Thus the Bible can be untainted in a world that is tainted; just like Jesus was.

Hamartiology does not negate Verbal Plenary Inspiration.

Sorry buddy, but "Verbal Plenary Inspiration" is a made up doctrine. It is not based on scripture. And even Jesus was not perfect and untainted. Did he not say during his crucifiction, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
 
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Sorry buddy, but "Verbal Plenary Inspiration" is a made up doctrine. It is not based on scripture. And even Jesus was not perfect and untainted. Did he not say during his crucifiction, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

well either because God will abandon people at times, or because Jesus lost faith in God pulling Him through.

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GOD created everything. Evolution is an invalid theory of there being no GOD. GOD is real and is eternal, which means you cannot simply dismiss him by making a theorem.

The theory of evolution does not deny God.
 
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So Jesus traces His lineage back to an allegory? Very interesting.

When did Jesus trace his lineage? Other people did that for him... allegorically, of course.
 
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... why shouldn't we deny it?
Well ... don't let the fact that I usually show it from your online bible (Wickipedia) stop you.

Go ahead and deny it all you want; you're just mocking your own scriptures.
 
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Or, it could be that you are viewing some of the biblical stories as literal history that were originally meant to be taken in the context of an allegory.

By recognizing that, one does not have to deny well known physical facts, or deliberately misrepresent physical science. The latter is what really disturbs me. If I have to make stuff up to support my religious beliefs.....wow, just wow. It seems to me that the latter abandons faith.
I don't believe I 'misrepresent' anything.

The Grand Canyon is still the Grand Canyon, Pluto is still Pluto, SN1987A is still SN1987A, age is still age, etc.
 
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I don't believe I 'misrepresent' anything.

The Grand Canyon is still the Grand Canyon, Pluto is still Pluto, SN1987A is still SN1987A, age is still age, etc.

Saying, as you have several times in the past that the Grand Canyon was formed when Pangaea broke apart is misrepresenting very well known geologic facts. Granted a misconception of the facts is understandable, but I and several others have pointed out why that is not so. Pangaea is not even located near a plate boundary.

Pluto, I agree you don't misrepresent it. You just seem to be sore that astrophysicists finally placed it into the classification that most adequately describes it.

Supernovae 1987A I am well familiar with. What you have said about it in the past I either do not recall or have not read any of your posts concerning it. I would appreciate a QV. ;)
 
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Well ... don't let the fact that I usually show it from your online bible (Wickipedia) stop you.

Go ahead and deny it all you want; you're just mocking your own scriptures.

And this, AV, is why everyone mocks you.

You don't care about your own words; why should anyone else?
 
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I have been through many discussions concerning a harmony of my faith and science, both online and in person with loved ones. When one of us, whether a creationist or an evolutionist, posts a thread, we have our knee-jerk responses ready.

I really want to talk about a narrow subject. I would like to talk about scientists in general, and maybe in specific, but not so much about whether intermediate species exist, or whether I can have my faith and keep science also.

My interest is more for what my creationist brothers and sisters have to say on the subject of the scientists that have developed the theory of evolution through the years.

I am the kind of guy who goes to the doctor on a regular basis because I believe he can do good things for my health. I do believe in getting second opinions if the doctor has told me something about my health that I find unusual, unexpected or maybe even not in agreement with what I believed was the case. But if I go to a second doctor and a third and a fourth and a fifth and they all tell me the same thing about my health, I would do what I believe is the most reasonable thing to do. I would conform my viewpoint to what all these doctors have agreed upon.

I am sure everyone can figure out where my analogy is going. I am operating on the assumption that nobody can produce a legitimate scientist who has a relevant degree to the subject of evolution that is also a creationist . So, if you say you know one and he has a masters degree in engineering, this won't mean anything to the subject at hand.

If, however, you believe me to be wrong, that you know of a scientist who is a creationist, please post this persons name. A minimum standard on this would be a Ph.D in biology, chemistry and even fields such as physics and astronomy would have some less direct bearing.

If you feel, as I imagine many of you do, the academic system that I refer to when I mention my "minimum standard" is through a corrupted educational system, then please argue for why that is. This will contribute to what I want to get at anyway, sense I am interested in the creationist view point of the science community.

My thesis is this. To say that the community of science is vastly in support of evolution is an understatement. Practically as one voice, scientists of all pertinent fields confirm the theory of evolution.

Do you, as a creationist, believe that these scientists are simply all wrong, corrupt, mislead or something else?

I look forward to your responses.

Follow the money.
 
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Follow the money.

No. I know many scientists, and money is not the main motivation for ANY of them. Most of them would still be happy with their wages halved. Why? It is because they are following their passion: to devote their intellects to helping everyone around them.

You can spew whatever hateful propaganda about scientists you wish. That will not change the fact that they perform an amazing service for mankind. Without scientists, we are nothing.
 
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No. I know many scientists, and money is not the main motivation for ANY of them. Most of them would still be happy with their wages halved. Why? It is because they are following their passion: to devote their intellects to helping everyone around them.

You can spew whatever hateful propaganda about scientists you wish. That will not change the fact that they perform an amazing service for mankind. Without scientists, we are nothing.

How is the vast majority of scientific research funded?
 
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