evolution and scientists motives

[Subduction Zone]

No scientist would talk about a particular theory as being "unproved and unprovable." No scientific theory is "provable."

I agree. And I loved your quote mines. I wonder if we could use the spinning of Henry Morris in his grave as a source of energy

ETA: Of course in at least one "quote" that was posted, the one I objected to, was never made by Sir Art.

 

[Tomk80]

I agree. And I loved your quote mines. I wonder if we could use the spinning of Henry Morris in his grave as a source of energy

ETA: Of course in at least one "quote" that was posted, the one I objected to, was never made by Sir Art.

I always wonder about these made-up quotes, like the one of Sir Arthur. I mean, do creationists really have to be that dishonest to just make up quotes wholesale. Apparently, they do. But to what end? Do they really think noone would check?

And Good brother, what does it tell you about your own sources, if one of the quotes you got from them is completely made up? Does that kind of dishonesty bother you in any way?

 

[sfs]

I always wonder about these made-up quotes, like the one of Sir Arthur. I mean, do creationists really have to be that dishonest to just make up quotes wholesale. Apparently, they do. But to what end? Do they really think noone would check?

I've seen a number of these fictitious quotes from "evolutionists", and I suspect the process usually involves less intentional deception. My guess is that usually at some point someone paraphrases a passage from an evolution-supporter in a tendentious and biased way (e.g. "So what X is saying is that, "Poof, given enough time, evolution can perform magic'"), and that someone else then picks up the paraphrase without checking, thinking that it's an actual quotation. This hypothesis fits well with the kinds of behavior I commonly see in creationists.

 

[RickG]

And Good brother, what does it tell you about your own sources, if one of the quotes you got from them is completely made up? Does that kind of dishonesty bother you in any way?

It bothers me immensely, and why people who are shown this deliberate deceit do not condemn it is beyond me. Condemning the deceit does not mean they have to give into believing in evolution, it means they have scruples and admit that some people in their own camp do not. To me the 9th commandment means something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whenever I get in a serious debate with a creationist I always demand that all quotes have a working link, otherwise they are assumed to be a lie. Of course I apply the same rule to myself. If I quote someone I always link to the source of the quote.

 

[Loudmouth]

I've seen a number of these fictitious quotes from "evolutionists", and I suspect the process usually involves less intentional deception. My guess is that usually at some point someone paraphrases a passage from an evolution-supporter in a tendentious and biased way (e.g. "So what X is saying is that, "Poof, given enough time, evolution can perform magic'"), and that someone else then picks up the paraphrase without checking, thinking that it's an actual quotation. This hypothesis fits well with the kinds of behavior I commonly see in creationists.

Creationists unwittingly trust fellow christians who are not trustworthy. Hopefully Good Brother can live up to his username and see these conmen for what they are. From my previous conversations with GB I don't think that he is purposefully deceiving anyone, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's so much "believing" in your post and very little "thinking".

QV my mood, please.

Why should God get credit for scientific phenomena if he shows no signs of being involved?

Who gave us brains?

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Notice here, where scientists are equated with kings?

To say that your god should take credit is to say that your god should plagiarize.

Plagiarize what? His own creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

The scientific system or method is open to everyone as long as they are capable of thinking. Even you.

But some should excel in that area more than others, due to their specific spiritual gift; namely:

1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess I need to get my 666 hat back on again.

That's an affront to your spiritual gift.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

But some should excel in that area more than others, due to their specific spiritual gift; namely:

1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

So are you interpreting that to mean wisdom and knowledge are mutually exclusive? As ever with your quotes, I'm left wondering in what strange way you're using it to justify your own beliefs, in this case that science is the 'given' to people with reprobate minds.

 

[AV1611VET]

So are you interpreting that to mean wisdom and knowledge are mutually exclusive? As ever with your quotes, I'm left wondering in what strange way you're using it to justify your own beliefs, in this case that science is the 'given' to people with reprobate minds.

God gifts us with scientists ... people who grow up with a proclivity - a desire, talent - to learn God's creation.

Like Mozart, these "prodigies" love to tinker and see how things work and interact.

If, hopefully, they get saved, they learn to give God the preeminence.

If, unfortunately, they don't get saved, they learn to pat each other on the back; with some even becoming enemies of God.

 

[RickG]

Like Mozart, these "prodigies" love to tinker and see how things work and interact.

Like his symphony #23 in D major?

 

[RickG]

That's an affront to your spiritual gift.

No, that's a recognition of your admonishment for science and scientists, because when science disagrees with the "literal" bible, then it becomes evil.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, that's a recognition of your admonishment for science and scientists, because when science disagrees with the "literal" bible, then it becomes evil.

You've got the cart before the horse.

Disagree with the Bible doesn't make it evil; it's evil, therefore it disagrees with the Bible.

 

[RickG]

You've got the cart before the horse.

Disagree with the Bible doesn't make it evil; it's evil, therefore it disagrees with the Bible.

I'm just applying the "SAME" logic to the bible that some people apply to science. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[good brother]

I'm just applying the "SAME" logic to the bible that some people apply to science. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Man's wisdom (science) is not on the "SAME" level of authority as God's word.

 

[RickG]

Man's wisdom (science) is not on the "SAME" level of authority as God's word.

Greetings Good Brother. I understand that, but I am not referring to anyone's authority, that of science or God.

 

[RainbowDashIsBestPony]

Man's wisdom (science) is not on the "SAME" level of authority as God's word.

How do you know that science is not God's method of communicating reality to us? Provided that there is a god, I'd say that God's word is not the actual words on the pages of a book that may or may not have actually been inspired by him, but the evidence that can be gathered by observing his creation.

 

[RickG]

How do you know that science is not God's method of communicating reality to us? Provided that there is a god, I'd say that God's word is not the actual words on the pages of a book that may or may not have actually been inspired by him, but the evidence that can be gathered by observing his creation.

I think a good analogy is something you touched upon, "I'd say that God's word is not the actual words on the pages of a book that may or may not have actually been inspired by him".

All scripture being inspired by God (2Timothy 3:16), doesn't necessarily mean that every word, phrase, sentence, etc. is to be taken with strict literal interpretation. I see no reason to restrict God's inspired word when it is not necessary.

 

[Joshua0035]

God gifts us with scientists

Everyone has a gift and everyone has a choice if they want to use their gift / talent to honor God. The concept of a freewill means having a choice not to honor God.