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kristina411
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Of course I would not, that is absurd and I have never heard a Christian use "God told me so" as a reason to have faith. This is a bit of a stretch wouldn't you think?
Odd how you liken murder to faith, when faith preaches against such.
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kristina411
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I dont mind answering questions about my personal faith. I dont wish to do so in this thread because it is not its purpose. If my belief is questioned and relevant it is answered, if I do not find it relevant I ask it be moved elsewhere. Even pm if you so chose, just not here.
I'm not afraid of questions, but I ask my own and expect answers if I give them as well.
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kristina411
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Because I am a Christian speaking with atheists does not mean automatically my belief is up for debate.yet another flaw in the thinking on this board. If you can show me where I welcomed questions concerning evidence of my own faith in this board, show me. Otherwise perhaps you should reread the posting.
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kristina411
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Yall crack me up. Just more proof. I should be done with this board but came back for people who were actually willing to have a legitimate discussion. I will know for future reference which posters resort to silliness and which are actually valuable companions in a discussion.
Thanks for reminding me I already said farewell and have no need to be here any longer. Take care.
Thanks for reminding me I already said farewell and have no need to be here any longer. Take care.
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I would be curious as to your answer, so if you'd like to answer in PM please feel free. If not, no worries, as I said, I won't push it.
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You asked serious questions about how you present your beliefs so it stands to reason that the nature of your beliefs and how you present them would be part of the discussion.
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In my experience, bhsmte is not a troll. He has in interest in the psychology and motivations of individuals. Noticing that you keep saying you will be done with the thread, but then returning ... would raise such a question by someone interested in such behavior.
Offering you advice to shut down the thread ... this can be done, you can ask a mod to close a thread. It can be done for any number of reasons from what I can tell, you don't like the direction the thread is going, etc and so forth. If you are wanting to truly step away from the thread and not come back ... this would be one way to "quit cold turkey". Have a mod shut it down for you. It's a legitimate suggestion.
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Yes, and we obviously disagree about the correct level of deference and special privilege religious beliefs should be given in "rational, purposeful conversation".
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You asserted in the OP that people were ignoring evidence :
"Yet when evidence is give, it is not enough."
Seems a discussion about the nature of that evidence is quite on topic for the thread.
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Colter
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I don't have a posting history with Freodin. If you do and are going off of previous posting history, that's another matter. In the discussion I saw, I don't see where he was being insincere. You had an opportunity to explain the answers to his questions. Which you attempted to do. You didn't like his response, and then blamed him. That's what it appeared like to me.
It's essentially:
Let me ask you this: do you ever take responsibility if someone else doesn't get to the same point as you think you have, when you are the one presenting the information and the "how to" ? Or is it always a case of the other person being at fault somehow ?
Is telling someone they have a contrarian spirit and that they are asking stupid questions going to help people get along ?
To the bolded part: yet all throughout history people have claimed to experience God, gods, and supernatural beings apart from "inner relationships" only. So if people are seeing burning bushes, being freed from prisons by angels, finding discs in the US, parting seas, having arms and legs grow back, etc ... all accounts common to various Christian denominations, etc ... is it ridiculous to ask for physical evidence ? And if you are unable to produce anything of the sort, why is that the problem of others ? According to commonly referenced scriptures, did the Egyptians not experience and see some of the same things the Israelites saw in their exodus ? The Egyptians didn't believe in the God of the Hebrews, yet according to the scriptures they saw some pretty extraordinary evidence. Enough to convince them to pay heed to the Hebrews. Did the unbelievers in Jesus' day not see the same miracles Jesus performed ? Didn't many of them actually believe Jesus was doing those things by the power of evil ? So even then, evidence was still there, and as I recall, even Jesus appealed to it (I had to Google this lol, it's from John 14):
"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."
You even answered this question here, seeming to indicate that people could have an objective experience with God. So why are those who are asking for evidence so frowned upon by you ?
Because, we don't have ANY evidence of the truth of the claims of Bible characters from 3000 years ago that prove the miraculous things you mentioned. You and I might discuss those things as an established fact, but that's not going to work with the Atheist. I'm sorry to dash to pieces any allusions that you might have about the sincerity of some of these people with Atheist monikers, but they already know that you can't provide irrefutable evidence, they are playing games with you. They don't want to "get along", they want to make you question your faith and or make you look like a fool! Their ego's derive a sick sort of pleasure out of asking entangling questions. You might think my assessment to be unfair or harsh, but Jesus didn't mince words, he told them point blank "your father is the devil!"
You see, the true neutral, non-believers, who don't care and just want to live life without the Jehovah's Witnesses wondering through their yards, these people aren't here. They are content, they "live and let live." But these guys are promoters of the doctrine's of doubt, the ideology of godlessness. A neutral person does not search the web for a "Christian Forum", join with an Atheist moniker, then proceed to tell you that you are imaging God because you can't provide sufficient proof of your faith in him. It's not that they have honest doubts, their doubts have become hardened into belief in a godless universe.
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You are spot on.
Answer: No - some don't require as much "evidence" at all, especially on a date-night, about many important things... They should read Michael Polanyi more carefully.
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bhsmte
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You are spot on.
Answer "no" they don't require as much "evidence" at all about many important things. And they should read Michael Polanyi, more carefully.
With most people, the greater the claim, the more evidence they require to believe it.
If my neighbor tells me they went to the grocery store last night, I will likely believe them without any confirmation.
If my neighbor tells me they were abducted by aliens last night and went aboard their space craft and was returned home, I probably would not believe that claim without significant evidence.
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