Evidence of miracles.

[SkyWriting]

So you say. In another we are shown " evidence " for human
footprints in the cretaceous.

Evidence that they are even footprints.

 

[SkyWriting]

It seems the equivocation game with " faith"
will never end, until the theists realize it weakens their case.

Faith is a seperate secular measurable characteristic.

 

[SkyWriting]

I provisionally accept that the studies overall were not misleading and were sufficiently well conducted to detect significant differences, had there been any.

Sure. That's faith.

 

[SkyWriting]

I provisionally accept the evidence of well-conducted random control trials and meta-analyses. If prayer was shown to be beneficial for healing, it would be very useful - whatever the causality. ISTR the disappointment after studies into whether a positive attitude would aid recovery from cancer showed that it didn't...

I notice you bolded 'report' - are you implying that there might have been positive effects that were not reported?

Of course. Lets suppose the results where 100% that prayer works.
We have to have faith in each link in the data that it even gets reported.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, I got that; I thought you were implying that it could work on the individual who was praying to be healed...

That's possible. No telling what God would consider best. If I could tell you then I could predict God.
I would needs all God's knowledge to predict His wisdom.
And then he'd be predictable and just a tool. I don't think God wants to be a tool. Seems wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

An identity tautology - the most compact circularity. Saying nothing, going nowhere. How apt.

Faith can be extremely dangerous.

Just ask those in Tokyo or New York or Jonestown.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

The HS communicates with no Bible needed.

Maybe, but AV used the Bible as evidence for the HS.

So how do you know the HS is communicating with you?

 

[Astrid]

Evidence that they are even footprints.

nonsensical response

 

[Astrid]

Sure. That's faith.

Do you understand what equivocation means?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Sure. That's faith.

Not really. It's a judgement of the balance of probabilities.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Of course. Lets suppose the results where 100% that prayer works.
We have to have faith in each link in the data that it even gets reported.

I think you're equivocating 'faith'. But if you're going to reject the scientific evidence without contrary evidence or a reasoned argument why the results might not be reported correctly, then there's really nothing to discuss.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That's possible. No telling what God would consider best.

Well, I addressed that already.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Faith can be extremely dangerous.

Just ask those in Tokyo or New York or Jonestown.

Indeed it can.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you understand what equivocation means?

This should help you then:

Neurotheology: Are We Hardwired for God? - Psychiatric Times

 

[SkyWriting]

So how do you know the HS is communicating with you?

I cover that in my Signature file below.

 

[SkyWriting]

I provisionally accept that the studies overall were not misleading and were sufficiently well conducted to detect significant differences, had there been any.

But was anybody telling the truth at all? That was my question.
I could also ask if the research team was competent.
But I won't question your ability to comprehend the results.

 

[SkyWriting]

I provisionally accept the evidence of well-conducted random control trials and meta-analyses. If prayer was shown to be beneficial for healing, it would be very useful - whatever the causality. ISTR the disappointment after studies into whether a positive attitude would aid recovery from cancer showed that it didn't...

I notice you bolded 'report' - are you implying that there might have been positive effects that were not reported?

Perhaps every person was healed.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think you're equivocating 'faith'. But if you're going to reject the scientific evidence without contrary evidence or a reasoned argument why the results might not be reported correctly, then there's really nothing to discuss.

Because I'm questioning your source. Yes, I get it. I'm not allowed to question your sources.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not really. It's a judgement of the balance of probabilities.

That's the same standards I use for answered prayer. Thank you.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, I addressed that already.

It wasn't a question.