Evidence of miracles.

[SkyWriting]

No argument there.

When God tells Mamma Nature to "gitter done," Mamma Nature gits er done.

Psalm 83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

30 October 1991: The Halloween Monster, a.k.a. The Perfect Storm, strikes the U.S. amid the "land-for-peace" Madrid peace talks; President Bush's ocean-side home destroyed.

23 August 1992: President Bush moves Madrid talks to U.S. soil; that very day, Hurricane Andrew devastates southern Florida.

16 January 1994: President Clinton meets with Syrian President Hafez Assad to discuss more "land for peace" arrangements; less than 24 hours later, a 6.9 earthquake pulverized southern California.

1 September 1993: President Clinton announces a meeting with Arafat for the Oslo peace accords, to be held on 13 September; after a week of meandering in the Atlantic Ocean, Hurricane Emily hits North Carolina on that very day.

21 January 1998: while waiting to meet with Arafat at the White House, President Clinton's sex scandal breaks out.

27 September 1998: Arafat is meeting with the president in Washington; Hurricane Georges hits Alabama and stalls. The hurricane stalls until Arafat leaves and then it dissipates. Parts of Alabama declared a disaster area.

17 October 1998: Arafat comes to the Wye Plantation meeting; incredible rains fall on Texas, which cause record flooding. Parts of Texas declared a disaster area.

3 September 1999: Secretary of State Albright meets with Arafat in Israel; Hurricane Dennis comes ashore on this very day after weeks of changing course in the Atlantic Ocean.

12-26 July 2000: Arafat at the Camp David meetings. Powerful droughts throughout the country. Forest fires explode in West into uncontrollable fires. By the end of August, 7 million acres are burnt.

9 November 2000, two days after the presidential election: Arafat meets with President Clinton at the White House to try and salvage the peace process; worst election crisis in over 100 years occurs.

I avoid national politics. Especially reading about it. I try to think local where I can see impact.

Hey!!!! Thanks!!! I just figured out the problem with world peace. huh

It's too much communication on topics that are irrelevant to daily living. The downfall of society is people focusing on issues where they feel powerless to impact. Not enough focus on how to deal. How to deal when your black or white or wealthy or poor. Just how to deal.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Essentially yes.

BUT, keep in mind that Jesus said ...

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

YOU are included in that verse as well.

This means that you, too, are/have experiencing the convicting power of God on your engrams.

But not all people get saved, because they "pull back" from that "pull" on them ...

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

As a person uses his freewill in this tug-of-war that's going on ... the more he uses it to draw back, the more "anesthetized" he becomes to the pull.

This is why a person won't be able to use the excuse "I never knew," at the White Throne Judgement Seat.

Again you believe this because the bible says it is so. And you believe the bible is true because the HS says so as evidenced in the bible. Flawed logic is not a good reason to believe anything.

Furthermore, here's a list of cause-and-effect evidence of God's existence:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
11. Two major nations founded on His existence.

All this is evidence of is that people believe God exists. Not that God actually does exist.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

All past events of any kind are taken on faith.

The question then reduces to, "Why that particular faith and not another?"

 

[SkyWriting]

IOW, it's a confirmation bias fallacy - if you heal after praying to be divinely healed, you'll attribute it to a divine healer. Nevertheless, the result is statistically the same as if you hadn't prayed.

That is a requirement. It's important that you not feel like you can heal others.
That's more important than healing others. It wouldn't be safe to have such powers.

 

[SkyWriting]

The question then reduces to, "Why that particular faith and not another?"

Faith is faith.

You can have faith in Mommy, faith in Daddy, faith in Law, faith in God.
Faith is trust in things not visible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith is faith.

Yup ... it's the object of one's faith that makes the difference.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The purpose of answered prayer is only to interact with the person praying.
The purpose is not intended to be used by others to determine which people
are holy and which are not.

You don't seem to grasp the implications of your request. Society would be separated into those who can heal other and those who can't. Likely this would not be a peaceful separation.

I didn't make a request, I simply stated the logical implications of the situation as stated.

If there was more or better healing as a result of prayer, it might be divisive, but as it happens, it doesn't seem to happen - unless the claim is that those who believe in the efficacy of prayer to heal would heal significantly less well than average if they didn't pray...

 

[Astrid]

There is only one God. What names people use and their explanation of God is based on local culture.
Even Jews don't have the same thinking as Christians for example.

In your personal unevidenced opinion.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Faith is faith.

An identity tautology - the most compact circularity. Saying nothing, going nowhere. How apt.

 

[SkyWriting]

Nevertheless, the result is statistically the same as if you hadn't prayed.

You are taking it on faith that your studies are reported correctly.

 

[SkyWriting]

In your personal unevidenced opinion.

Well of course I have evidence for my opinions. Naturally.

 

[SkyWriting]

An identity tautology - the most compact circularity. Saying nothing, going nowhere. How apt.

You are welcome to disagree with reasoning.

 

[SkyWriting]

If there was more or better healing as a result of prayer, it might be divisive, but as it happens, it doesn't seem to happen - unless the claim is that those who believe in the efficacy of prayer to heal would heal significantly less well than average if they didn't pray...

According to sources you believe and have faith in anyway......they report no difference.
Perhaps some ballots were not counted.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That is a requirement. It's important that you not feel like you can heal others.
That's more important than healing others. It wouldn't be safe to have such powers.

Yes, I got that; I thought you were implying that it could work on the individual who was praying to be healed...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You are welcome to disagree with reasoning.

Thanks

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

According to sources you believe and have faith in anyway......they report no difference.

I provisionally accept the evidence of well-conducted random control trials and meta-analyses. If prayer was shown to be beneficial for healing, it would be very useful - whatever the causality. ISTR the disappointment after studies into whether a positive attitude would aid recovery from cancer showed that it didn't...

I notice you bolded 'report' - are you implying that there might have been positive effects that were not reported?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You are taking it on faith that your studies are reported correctly.

I provisionally accept that the studies overall were not misleading and were sufficiently well conducted to detect significant differences, had there been any.

 

[Astrid]

Well of course I have evidence for my opinions. Naturally.

So you say. In another we are shown " evidence " for human
footprints in the cretaceous.

 

[Astrid]

I provisionally accept that the studies overall were not misleading and were sufficiently well conducted to detect significant differences, had there been any.

It seems the equivocation game with " faith"
will never end, until the theists realize it weakens their case.

 

[SkyWriting]

Again you believe this because the bible says it is so. And you believe the bible is true because the HS says so as evidenced in the bible. Flawed logic is not a good reason to believe anything.

The HS communicates with no Bible needed.