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I'm talking about Biblical truth, not scientific truth.
It doesn't matter when the word truth still forms part of what you're talking about. Its a human English word for converying a specific, human concept.
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Biblical truth says Jesus walked on water.
And the only reason you can envisage that concept, is because the word truth carries a particular meaning for English speaking humans.
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Scientific truth says Pluto was our ninth planet at one time.
No different .. humans define the meaning of truth .. Otherwise you wouldn't have a clue what anyone means when they use the word .. Bible or not.
 
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So you accept and embrace brutality as the means of improving your knowledge?
Humanism was at the heart of the German Nazi philosophy that resulted in millions of innocent people brutalized and murdered in concentration camps.

It is also at the heart of the philosophy behind thousands of unborn babies being murdered through abortion each year.
 
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Haven't you ever wondered, is prayer truly a sign of faith, or a lack thereof?
I'd say it's a sign of faith. But after being answered, I say it's a revelation few have ever experienced. Especially church leaders. So the lack of understanding is completely warranted.
Good question.
 
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Humanism was at the heart of the German Nazi philosophy that resulted in millions of innocent people brutalized and murdered in concentration camps.
Perhaps you mean the notion of transhumanism in Nazi Germany's practise of eugenics there?
(The 'rod', suggesting force in beating knowledge into the human mind, in your quoted proverb was what I was addressing).
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It is also at the heart of the philosophy behind thousands of unborn babies being murdered through abortion each year.
Don't think so .. its more about where to draw the line between considerations of an individual woman's rights and her fetus'.
 
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Academics appeals to the mind, truth appeals to the spirit.
There are many kinds of truth, and academic truth is generally the most rigorous - from the tautological truths of formal systems (logic, mathematics), to a pragmatic agreement on what works; or the eventual convergence of opinion of investigators; or a claimed or empirical correspondence to observables. Outside formal systems, truth is, at best, a Platonic ideal; at worst, redundant language - the statement, 'It is true that P', reduces to, 'P'.

Religious truth is a form of coherence truth, involving consistency with an (arbitrary) set of beliefs. It has no necessary connection, application, or value outside that worldview.
 
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Humanism was at the heart of the German Nazi philosophy that resulted in millions of innocent people brutalized and murdered in concentration camps.

No, that was Fascism and racial superiority.
 
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You are either woefully ignorant about Humanism, Nazism, or both.
It looks rather like the equivocation trick. It never gets old and it never works on a critical thinker. Others can be, and are, fooled by it, however. Using it does seem a bit manipulative, but I suppose some users are themselves victims of the technique.
 
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These are still branches of basic godless humanist philosophy.

Except that they aren't since Fascism puts heavy status on god. The Wehrmacht even had their buckles printed with 'Gott mit uns' - God is with us.

It is just that I don't bother to engage in useless debates with non-Christian people.

So why are you on the section open to non-Christians then?
 
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These are still branches of basic godless humanist philosophy.

Racial superiority isn't tied to any specific religious or philosophical positions.

If fascism is tied to any philosophy or religious group it is tied to Catholicism. All of the "traditional" ruling fascist regimes emerge from the Catholic far right in Italy, Bavaria, Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Chile... It's like there is a pattern.
 
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Racial superiority isn't tied to any specific religious or philosophical positions.

If fascism is tied to any philosophy or religious group it is tied to Catholicism. All of the "traditional" ruling fascist regimes emerge from the Catholic far right in Italy, Bavaria, Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Chile... It's like there is a pattern.
I'd venture to say that any sociological model which envisages a hiearchical power structure, starting with a supreme God at its pinnacle, is the root cause of what invariably follows, (which is chaos).
 
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Except that they aren't since Fascism puts heavy status on god. The Wehrmacht even had their buckles printed with 'Gott mit uns' - God is with us.



So why are you on the section open to non-Christians then?
Why not?
 
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Racial superiority isn't tied to any specific religious or philosophical positions.

If fascism is tied to any philosophy or religious group it is tied to Catholicism. All of the "traditional" ruling fascist regimes emerge from the Catholic far right in Italy, Bavaria, Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Chile... It's like there is a pattern.
Because this thread has gone beyond the original intention of the OP, it has gone past its use-by date. Therefore I am out of here.
 
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