Evidence for or against a creation instituted sabbath

[Cribstyl]

Hopefully we can have a dialog on what we find in the scriptures we can offer as evidence "for" or "against" a creation instituted sabbath.

The purpose of this thead is to allow biblical evidence to speak rather than commentary that can overide or ignor what God's word does say or could prove.

Evidence should be what God's prophets say or writen in the OT, and what the NT say about the sabbath or related issue of creation.

Please provide book and text# as minimun evidence with your comments.

Please give a title to your post saying YES or NO

Thanks for your cooperation in advance.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Sorry Crib, not going to play... Gen 2:2,3 are all the evidence I need. I don't need to 'debate' something I believe as true.

Do you know that debate was a Greek instituted practice to create doubt in the mind of the audience? Doubt was actually a highly valued state of mind to the greek way of education which, of course, our current system is now based on. It is the basis of the belief that there is no absolute truth...

 

[k4c]

Sorry Crib, not going to play... Gen 2:2,3 are all the evidence I need. I don't need to 'debate' something I believe as true.

Do you know that debate was a Greek instituted practice to create doubt in the mind of the audience? Doubt was actually a highly valued state of mind to the greek way of education which, of course, our current system is now based on. It is the basis of the belief that there is no absolute truth...

This is why God had to make a law to protect the Sabbath.

 

[Cribstyl]

Sorry Crib, not going to play... Gen 2:2,3 are all the evidence I need. I don't need to 'debate' something I believe as true.

Do you know that debate was a Greek instituted practice to create doubt in the mind of the audience? Doubt was actually a highly valued state of mind to the greek way of education which, of course, our current system is now based on. It is the basis of the belief that there is no absolute truth...

I'm not supprised that you and some other self claim leaders would try to undermind the objective of this thread. (posting biblical evidence)

Truth does not always give in to fear, so, some people will post in spite of how you and K4c have endorse this thread.

Obviously you could have ignored this thread if you did not want to particapate. The fact that you both seek my input on your threads seem hypocritical at best.

Unlike most of your threads I did not dig a hole in the oringinal post or tilt the tables to one side or the other.


On last sabbath a SDA pastor said "communication can mean to show love and it can also mean to show otherwise.

 

[Cribstyl]

This is why God had to make a law to protect the Sabbath.

You're jacking my objectives and you know it. I always begin cooperating by often being the first to respond to your threads.
I know that trying to keep people from thinking outside your control is hard but trying to stifflle reasonable communication is kinda communist dont you think?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

We are not jacking your thread crib nor do K4C and I consider or have said we are leaders of any kind. The fact is, you are in a traditional Adventist room, so what would you expect the ourcome of this thread to be? To show us the errors of our ways? We already know you don't believe in the sanctity of the Sabbath, so the premise of this thread is already 'jacked'.

This is little different than when BFA tried introducing Shrewsbury to an anti-sabbath book for him to look at to 'round out' his understanding of Adventism. Thats the problem Crib, satan wants us to 'round out' our understanding and experience with worldly views... not wise to say the least.

 

[Cribstyl]

We are not jacking your thread crib nor do K4C and I consider or have said we are leaders of any kind. The fact is, you are in a traditional Adventist room, so what would you expect the ourcome of this thread to be? To show us the errors of our ways? We already know you don't believe in the sanctity of the Sabbath, so the premise of this thread is already 'jacked'.

This is little different than when BFA tried introducing Shrewsbury to an anti-sabbath book for him to look at to 'round out' his understanding of Adventism. Thats the problem Crib, satan wants us to 'round out' our understanding and experience with worldly views... not wise to say the least.

This thread was designed to show what God's word say whether you like it or not. The rest of your comments shows what's in your heart not mines. I rebuke the spirit of division that we cant be civil and disagree.

 

[Stryder06]

This thread was designed to show what God's word say whether you like it or not. The rest of your comments shows what's in your heart not mines. I rebuke the spirit of division that we cant be civil and disagree.

Crib, how many times have we been down this road though. Your "biblical" evidence is tainted by your notions.

If we go to genesis and speak about the 7th day you'll say the same thing you always say and we'll say the same thing we always say, and then what?

Whatever we say is "commentary" as far as you're concerned and yet you say you reject the spirit of division? It's not about having a spirit of division, its about being rooted in what we believe to be true.

 

[Cribstyl]

What you've failed to figure out is, when we fight people do notice, and yes, it's kinda embarassing.
If I had an agenda.....now would be a good time to post it..
I COME IN PEACE


If an alien land on earth would you take time to ask him "What do you know about God and Jesus Christ?" or would you tell Him to "get of my planet ?"



Let God's word be true

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, how many times have we been down this road though. Your "biblical" evidence is tainted by your notions.

If we go to genesis and speak about the 7th day you'll say the same thing you always say and we'll say the same thing we always say, and then what?

Whatever we say is "commentary" as far as you're concerned and yet you say you reject the spirit of division? It's not about having a spirit of division, its about being rooted in what we believe to be true.

I dont buy into this Stryder because none of it is truth. I post God's word in blue and I try to explain my understanding what it says. What I call commentary is when someone makes a statement and the scripture sometimes discard the context and dont fit the comments. There is only one truth.

When you're playing defense How could someone say you've struck out?
What's stopping the person I responded to from replying in any thread?

Where is your voice when someone create a thread called "why?" and say that people teach "sin is no longer sin"?

I often get ingored when I respond or ask real questions, but I'm always chasing down questions that the bible does not ask.

Our last interaction proves that you took offense and ran off without explaining or givng a reasonable response to my post why?
I 'm not overly shocked you're here to try to derail the intent of this thread.



Let God's word be true

 

[stork321]

what we respond into this thread will be just a......

Commentary.... Commentary that twist the word of God to fit in our commentaries...

We will just hijacking your thread to fit in our comments... Quoting just a isolated verse to fit in our comments..presenting verses that are out of context......

Hmmm.. What else..

Btw thats just I observed to your replies crib while reading discussions into this forum..

I remember you started a discussion here asking what doctrine we hold in common...and your reply is none...you ask questions, proofs, etc. then you will just refute and say commentary. Why? Because as you have said in your other thread we dont absolutely hold the same doctrine. From this I can say that what we believe here is absolutely opposite to yours...and we can't and never be in agreement in one subject if what we believe is a lie or just a commentary to you...

you know that sabbath is one of our doctrine, so I believe that what I or the others will reply will not satisfy you..

and hey! you even made a thread already about this subject.....although the title of this thread is only paraphrased......you just accused k4c's reply as "spin cycle" ; "trained commentary" .......

 

[k4c]

I dont buy into this Stryder because none of it is truth. I post God's word in blue and I try to explain my understanding what it says. What I call commentary is when someone makes a statement and the scripture sometimes discard the context and dont fit the comments. There is only one truth.

When you're playing defense How could someone say you've struck out?
What's stopping the person I responded to from replying in any thread?

Where is your voice when someone create a thread called "why?" and say that people teach "sin is no longer sin"?

I often get ingored when I respond or ask real questions, but I'm always chasing down questions that the bible does not ask.

Our last interaction proves that you took offense and ran off without explaining or givng a reasonable response to my post why?
I 'm not overly shocked you're here to try to derail the intent of this thread.

Let God's word be true

I think I remember someone asking what you believe the new covenant is but I don't remember seeing an answer from you. Maybe you could answer it now?

 

[Cribstyl]

what we respond into this thread will be just a...

Commentary.... Commentary that twist the word of God to fit in our commentary...

We will just hijacking your thread to fit in our comments... Quoting just a isolated verse to fit in our comments..

Hmmm.. What else..

Btw thats just I observed to your replies crib while reading discussions into this forum..

I remember you started a discussion here asking what doctrine we hold in common...and your reply is none...yet you ask questions, proofs, etc. then you will just refute and say commentary. Why? Because as you have said in your other thread we dont absolutely hold the same doctrine.

you know that sabbath is one of our doctrine, so I believe that what I or the others will reply will not satisfy you..

I like the remember game because we can we research the truth, I like truth.

Here is the thread in question let's review the facts;, What doctrines do we hold in common? Truth be told, I had subject myself to replying to quite a few of K4c's thread on the 23Sept10 about the law and so I planned to talk about something different by starting a nuetral topic...
My OP was "The devil would lose if we would find some common ground and began to proclaim the promisses of God that we agree on.

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K4c show his usual cooperation to my threads topics or my responses to his posts, so after 3days I said......."Aparently none".. (because of no responses). So you're mistaken about what I said or meant. Some people keep implying I'm taking on SDA beliefs, but from my angle I'm disagreeing with the person I'm talking with.


The fact is, I continued to look for cooperation in discussing doctrines we hold in common. I posted.....#7
SDA appear to share many doctrines that are common with evangelical protestant churches.

"Common ground" simply means similar doctrines dirived from the bible.

Questions concerning the disctinct doctrines of Adventism are the cause of great division between our churches.

When did SDA establish "the trinity" as a doctrine of their church?
When did SDA establish "salvation by faith" as a doctrine of their church?


We all know It would be a lie if I said we dont hold some common doctrines, so you're mistaken on that character assasination attemp.

 

[Cribstyl]

I think I remember someone asking what you believe the new covenant is but I don't remember seeing an answer from you. Maybe you could answer it now?

This is officially a Crib roast thread......... ... throw your stones

 

[k4c]

This is officially a Crib roast thread......... ... throw your stones

It's very easy to expose the flaw in those who believe the Law is done away with. All you have to do is ask them if it's okay for their wives to have a sexual relationship outside of their marriage or ask them to tell how they understand the new covenant. Both answers they give you will reveal their confusion, also known as, Babylon.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I accept your apology and look forward to respectful communication in future.

I can understand sometimes how it feel to hear someone tear down what took a lifetime to build. I get carried away at times. I will try to be sensitive to Trad Ad as I am with my family.

What happened to the new leaf brother... it's up to you to take the high road if you choose. Otherwise, by your fruits will you be known.

 

[Cribstyl]

what we respond into this thread will be just a......

Commentary.... Commentary that twist the word of God to fit in our commentaries...

We will just hijacking your thread to fit in our comments... Quoting just a isolated verse to fit in our comments..presenting verses that are out of context......

Hmmm.. What else..

Btw thats just I observed to your replies crib while reading discussions into this forum..

Here is one of the threads I responded to on 23Sept 10...... #1 To me my dialog is with K4c and not SDA at large. If someone wanted to address my response the doors was always open......

I always consider the size of the Op before taking a bite. In this case I address these words......

The Law was given to point out sin.

Galatians 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Your brief remark on these 2 texts is true, but you have ignored the knowlege in these text?

First of all; the mother of all questions is asked;

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW?​

1. 1. It was added to the Abrahamic Covenant (proving it did not come before Abraham or to Adam.) Gal 3:19 T or F
2. It was added UNTIL Jesus should come. Gal3:19 T or F
3. It was given to Moses by Angels. Gal3:19 T or F
4. No one will be declared righteous by the law. Rom3:20 T or F

Care to address why these facts were left out?
Please answer the true or false?

I told K4c he made a true comment but it ignor other points I posted from these text he posted.

Tell me what false doctrine did I introduce to this forum?
Why wont he respond directly to my post??

I will post a revive that thread for people to show me where I am not trying to have a civil discussion about the word of God.

 

[k4c]

Here is one of the threads I responded to on 23Sept 10...... #1 To me my dialog is with K4c and not SDA at large. If someone wanted to address my response the doors was always open......

I always consider the size of the Op before taking a bite. In this case I address these words......

I told K4c he made a true comment but it ignor other points I posted from these text he posted.

Tell me what false doctrine did I introduce to this forum?
Why wont he respond directly to my post??

I will post a revive that thread for people to show me where I am not trying to have a civil discussion about the word of God.

I don't know why I'm responding once again but here goes.

The Law points out sin, which in turn brings condemnation. This condemnation remains until someone can take it away. This is where Jesus comes in.

No one is declaired righteouse by the Law because the Law points out sin. Righteousness comes from Jesus. We can practice righteousness because we have been made righteous through the blood of Christ.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

We can't be made righteous by the Law.

Galatians 2:16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Just because someone has been justifed does not mean sin is no longer sin.

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

I know this is hard for you to grasp because you have not completed your study of these things. You've only gone as far as the cross but Jesus tells us there is more after the cross.

1 John 2:6 Those who say they abide in God should live their lives as Christ did.

Luke 9:23 Then Jesus said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

 

[Cribstyl]

What happened to the new leaf brother... it's up to you to take the high road if you choose. Otherwise, by your fruits will you be known.

Dude, bravo you havent changed at all........You've been falsely accusing me from day one. Do you have anything dated to charge against me?? Press the complaint button
Go ahead insult me some more. All I asked is that we show proof from God's word one way or the other.



Where is it written that God rested on earth or that we know where He rests?
Act 7:49 Heaven [is] my throne, and earth [is] my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

If God blessed and sanctified His rest in the heavenly realm why should I believe that Adam shared in His rest from earth?

Why should I be forced to say that Adam rested with God, when I believe that no man has ever seen God but Jesus Christ?
Jhn 1:18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

1Jo 4:12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


If we dont know the location of God's rest and no man has seen God I'd rather not have an opinion contrary to the word of God.

 

[Cribstyl]

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