Evidence for Design (3)

[Dave Ellis]

everything was intelligently designed, not a tree of life but a grass field of life, with everything sprouting it's own shoot of the tree of life. The tree of life as held by darwin is false. That which all common descend is based.

I showed this by revealing my quotes on the cambrian explosion.

You haven't showed anything....

I believe that's strike one, is it not?

 

[Ursus scientia]

but you believe it was first, so the quotes that apply to rna world still aptly apply. Sad to say.

I do not believe that RNA was the first storage molecule for genetic information, therefore I do not accept the RNA world hypothesis. I do accept that RNA is a molecular catalyst, therefore it was likely a very important biomolecule early on due to its ease of formation and oligomeric stability.

Stop trying to make me say stuff I'm not saying.

 

[mzungu]

redherring, you are changing the subject from abiogenesis which you are fuzzy on.

I asked you a question. Why are you avoiding answering it. According to ID (creationism) how did life come to be? I want more than God did it. I need the same details any scientific theory would give. I need to know the WHO and the HOW. Do you even know yourself? Why are you avoiding the question?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Stop trying to make me say stuff I'm not saying.

Get ready for a lot of frustration... he's going to do that a lot to you, and not listen to your clarifications.

 

[createdtoworship]

I do not believe that RNA was the first storage molecule for genetic information, therefore I do not accept the RNA world hypothesis. I do accept that RNA is a molecular catalyst, therefore it was likely a very important biomolecule early on due to its ease of formation and oligomeric stability.

Stop trying to make me say stuff I'm not saying.

I don't understand this field as well as a biologist but I still have questions:

do you believe RNA was self replicating? And secondly you said RNA was first Here, not just "early on": "the first molecule"

isn't that changing the bars a little?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7791772-2/#post64637119

 

[Ursus scientia]

Get ready for a lot of frustration... he's going to do that a lot to you, and not listen to your clarifications.

Oh, I know. But it's good practice, right? We all have to deal with people who aren't interested in listening to ideas they're uncomfortable with: may as well make them damn uncomfortable.

 

[createdtoworship]

Get ready for a lot of frustration... he's going to do that a lot to you, and not listen to your clarifications.

he feels better now, venting a frustration of defeat.

 

[createdtoworship]

Oh, I know. But it's good practice, right? We all have to deal with people who aren't interested in listening to ideas they're uncomfortable with: may as well make them damn uncomfortable.

you shouldn't cuss on these forums. (athiest)

 

[mzungu]

Stop trying to make me say stuff I'm not saying.

Classical creationist tactics. Attack, misinform, misquote, blatantly lie, but never try to give evidence for creationism's claims. Don't let it get to you. Just play along!

 

[Ursus scientia]

I don't understand this field as well as a biologist but I still have questions:

do you believe RNA was self replicating? And secondly you said RNA was first Here: "the first molecule"

I said it was the first meaningful molecule. The first molecules were likely phospholipids (fats that form vesicles, analogous to cell membranes), but they're not particularly interesting and we know they definitely form on their own.

I don't think it was self replicating, as of itself. Happy to be proven wrong.

EDIT: Damn is clearly not a swear. It's uncensored.

 

[createdtoworship]

I said it was the first meaningful molecule. The first molecules were likely phospholipids (fats that form vesicles, analogous to cell membranes), but they're not particularly interesting and we know they definitely form on their own.

I don't think it was self replicating, as of itself. Happy to be proven wrong.

okay so tell me more about your first meaningful catalyst.

how did life start?

IYO

 

[mzungu]

you shouldn't cuss on these forums.

From the Oxford dictionary:

Definition of damn in English


damn

Pronunciation: /dam/
Translate damn | into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish verb

[with object]

• 1 (be damned) (in Christian belief) be condemned by God to suffer eternal punishment in hell: I treated her badly and I’ll be damned to hell for it
• be doomed to misfortune or failure:the enterprise was damned

• 2criticize strongly:the book damns her husband
• curse (someone or something):she cleared her throat, damning it for its huskiness damn him for making this sound trivial

exclamation

informal

• expressing anger or frustration:Damn! I completely forgot!

adjective

[attributive] informal used for emphasis, especially to express anger or frustration:turn that damn thing off! [as submodifier]:don’t be so damn silly!

 

[Ursus scientia]

okay so tell me more about your first meaningful catalyst.

how did life start?

IYO

I don't know, and neither does anyone else.

If they say that they do they are either lying, or very selfish for not explaining it to the rest of us properly.

 

[mzungu]

okay so tell me more about your first meaningful catalyst.

how did life start?

IYO

Why don't you answer the same question? I have asked you 3 times so far.

 

[createdtoworship]

Why don't you answer the same question? I have asked you 3 times so far.

you are the ones claiming to be the only scientists, so take the floor!

 

[mzungu]

I don't know, and neither does anyone else.

If they say that they do they are either lying, or very selfish for not explaining it to the rest of us properly.

Notice how he asks but refuses to answer to the same question? It is common practice for ID (creationism) to attack ToE as if this will prove their God did it hypothesis.

 

[createdtoworship]

From the Oxford dictionary:

Definition of damn in English


damn

Pronunciation: /dam/
Translate damn | into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish verb

[with object]

• 1 (be damned) (in Christian belief) be condemned by God to suffer eternal punishment in hell: I treated her badly and I’ll be damned to hell for it
• be doomed to misfortune or failure:the enterprise was damned

• 2criticize strongly:the book damns her husband
• curse (someone or something):she cleared her throat, damning it for its huskiness damn him for making this sound trivial

exclamation

informal

• expressing anger or frustration:Damn! I completely forgot!

adjective

[attributive] informal used for emphasis, especially to express anger or frustration:turn that damn thing off! [as submodifier]:don’t be so damn silly!

you are commiting equivocation of the word. He didn't use it as a cursing, He used it as a cuss word. And you and I both know it.

"[attributive] informal used for emphasis, especially to express anger or frustration:turn that damn thing off! [as submodifier]:don’t be so damn silly!"

 

[createdtoworship]

I don't know, and neither does anyone else.

If they say that they do they are either lying, or very selfish for not explaining it to the rest of us properly.

ok tell us more about your opinions on how RNA could start life, even without sources. Just in conversation.

 

[mzungu]

you are the ones claiming to be the only scientists, so take the floor!

We have given you the answer; we don't know and science is researching it. What is your explanation of how life began? (4th time I am asking this question).

 

[Ursus scientia]

Notice how he asks but refuses to answer to the same question? It is common practice for ID (creationism) to attack ToE as if this will prove their God did it hypothesis.

I'm aware of the idea of false dichotomy, argument from ignorance etc. ToE I'm guessing is Theory of Evo?

So far I'm a little disappointed there've been no serious counterpoints. Just wriggling. :/