Evidence for a global flood

[AirPo]

I think it was created by God, not by natural means.

Whether it was used for water to go down, or [more than likely] come out, is anyone's guess.

And as for the White Cliffs of Dover, I believe God stockpiled those coccoliths there when He cleaned up the mess after the Flood.

It's easy to make things up.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's easy to make things up.

Actually, it's not -- these are educated guesses.

You see, the difference is, when someone just 'makes things up', he eventually contradicts himself.

If you think it's so easy -- you try it.

 

[Tim Myers]

I tend to believe in several partial-global floods myself.....

 

[AV1611VET]

I tend to believe in several partial-global floods myself.....

I think scientists believe that, at different times, every square inch of the earth was under water -- but not all at once.

It's just a matter of correlating this data into one global flood.

 

[Hespera]

I tend to believe in several partial-global floods myself.....

part of the globe is being flooded even as we speak1 memphis etc.

 

[AirPo]

I think scientists believe that, at different times, every square inch of the earth was under water -- but not all at once.

It's just a matter of correlating this data into one global flood.

That wasn't so hard. Like I said, it's easy to make things up.

 

[Hespera]

That wasn't so hard. Like I said, it's easy to make things up.

yes, correlate the data....

Farmer sees that the entire pasture has been grazed.

He concludes that at one time in the past, the entire pasture was solid cows, fence to fence.

But a deeper thinker says, "No, because what about all the grass under each cow! Your theory would only account for the amount of grass each could reach from where it stood, jammed in with all the other cows.

What happened was that every square inch once had a cows mouth on it.
All at the same time. No room for the rest of the cow. Just the mouths. Now figure how that was done."*



* goddidit

 

[chris4243]

Well there's always the evidence of a genetic bottleneck down to two for the unclean, and 7 for the clean, among the land animals, the extinction of fresh or salt water fish who would not be able to survive in the other type of water, and the fact that earthworms only exist near the area where the Ark landed because of how slowly they migrate, and the evidence of migration patterns of all species originating from where the ark landed.

 

[Cabal]

Actually, it's not -- these are educated guesses.

You see, the difference is, when someone just 'makes things up', he eventually contradicts himself.

Or ad hocs like billy-o.

*ahem*floodwaterwenttoneptune*
*ahem*neptunekeepsnaughtyangelsaway*

If you think it's so easy -- you try it.

Why should we? You're our exemplar of how not to conduct a rational argument.

 

[Son of the King]

Well there's always the evidence of a genetic bottleneck down to two for the unclean, and 7 for the clean, among the land animals, the extinction of fresh or salt water fish who would not be able to survive in the other type of water, and the fact that earthworms only exist near the area where the Ark landed because of how slowly they migrate, and the evidence of migration patterns of all species originating from where the ark landed.

Sure, when you look at it from a naturalistic veiw. Wasn't God involved? Oh yah, He told Noah to build an ark then brought such tremendous waves with the flood the ark got torn apart. God over looked the survival of all the fish and plants etc. So much for an all powerful, all knowing God.

 

[Greg1234]

I tend to believe in several partial-global floods myself.....

I think it's rendered a global flood for the same reason the effects of a meteor strike would be rendered as a global fire. That's what we find anyways.

 

[sandwiches]

That's what we find anyways.

Where do we find this?

 

[Greg1234]

Where do we find this?

First of all, do you understand what is meant by a global fire in these?

'Giant asteroid that wiped out dinosaurs from Earth fell in India' - Brahmand.com

The tremendous impact would have ignited global fires, initiated tsunamis, destroyed coastal habitats, produced acid rains, turned seawater acidic, dissolved carbonate-shelled animals and devastated the biosphere. Millions of organisms would have died instantly from the tremendous tremor and the global fire generated from the impact.

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NEW EVIDENCE INDICATES GLOBAL FIRESTORM KILLED OFF DINOSAURS | Deseret News

Scientists Wednesday published new evidence to bolster a controversial theory that dinosaurs went extinct because of a global firestorm sparked by the impact of a giant meteorite.


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More Confusion At The K-T Boundary

[FONT=Arial,helvetica]Evidence of a global fire. Soot appears at the K-T boundary at many sites, but where did it come from? Chemical analyses of these soots show an enhanced concentration of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons over soots above and below the boundary. This is strong evidence of pyrolytic action at the K-T boundary; i.e., widespread fires. (Venkatesan, M.I., and Dahl, J.; "Organic Geochemical Evidence for Global Fires at the Cretaceous/Tertiary Boun dary," Nature, March 2, 1989.) Fire could have been initiated by either volcanism or impacts.

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[juvenissun]

What sort of geologic evidence is there for a global flood? Please do not deviate off into tangents about evolution. This is strictly about geology.

Seriously, the ocean.

it is the biggest and the most easily seen evidence to everyone, but very few can understand it.

The description on the source of flooding water in the Bible is simply fantastic. It is written by a man. But he was definitely not able to know what that is. Just imagine:

Gen 7:11 ..... all the fountains of the great deep broken up ....

It says three things: 1. fountains; 2. the great deep; and 3. broken up.

Even today, most wise people will not put these three things together for the source of flooding water. In common sense, the first one and the second one are contradictory, and the third one is unimaginable. And yet we now know all these three are actually happening in the deep sea. And indeed, that is how did the earth get most of its water.

 

[juvenissun]

1. Hadn't heard of this one before. I have no idea how it can be interpreted as evidence for a flood though. As Tim's wiki link said, it's an antiformal dome, which is an area that's undergone symmetrical strain on all sides causing it to bow upwards in a circular pattern.

If structure is your interest, this could be a good exercise for you (I don't know much about it).

According to the pattern, this structure should have high dips around the bull's eye area and the dips become much more gentle outside the bull's eye (as you can see on the shape of ridges in the background). Unfortunately, this is not an impact crater. So the force which made this type of piercing action could only be something like a kimberlite-type eruption (I don't think people found alkaline rocks there).

Anyway, it suggests something was coming up focused and forceful from the ground. What could that be? From the change of dip angles, one might be able to reconstruct the stress pattern of the force.

 

[Hespera]

If structure is your interest, this could be a good exercise for you (I don't know much about it).

According to the pattern, this structure should have high dips around the bull's eye area and the dips become much more gentle outside the bull's eye (as you can see on the shape of ridges in the background). Unfortunately, this is not an impact crater. So the force which made this type of piercing action could only be something like a kimberlite-type eruption (I don't think people found alkaline rocks there).

Anyway, it suggests something was coming up focused and forceful from the ground. What could that be? From the change of dip angles, one might be able to reconstruct the stress pattern of the force.

See if you can explain this to dove. he knows it is a whirlpool

 

[RocksInMyHead]

If structure is your interest, this could be a good exercise for you (I don't know much about it).

Ok, let's see...

According to the pattern, this structure should have high dips around the bull's eye area and the dips become much more gentle outside the bull's eye (as you can see on the shape of ridges in the background).

Are you getting this from the pictures or did you think this up yourself? Because if you think of the structure of a dome, the highest dips should actually be about halfway between the peak of the dome and the transition to flat-lying rocks.

Unfortunately, this is not an impact crater. So the force which made this type of piercing action could only be something like a kimberlite-type eruption (I don't think people found alkaline rocks there).

This is not an eruptive structure, though minor eruptions associated with plutonism have occurred. There was no "piercing action" as you called it. Here's a summary of an article that discusses this structure, as well as a link to the abstract for the article: earth-pages(dot)co(dot)uk/2005/08/

The original abstract is here: geology(dot)gsapubs(dot)org/content/33/8/665.abstract

As you can see, they actually did find alkaline rocks at the center in the form of dikes and sills, which suggests an alkaline pluton at depth.

Anyway, it suggests something was coming up focused and forceful from the ground. What could that be? From the change of dip angles, one might be able to reconstruct the stress pattern of the force.

There's no way I would trust dip angles measured casually from a satellite image. Yes, there are ways to do it accurately, but I have neither the time nor the software to do them.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

First of all, do you understand what is meant by a global fire in these?

'Giant asteroid that wiped out dinosaurs from Earth fell in India' - Brahmand.com

The tremendous impact would have ignited global fires, initiated tsunamis, destroyed coastal habitats, produced acid rains, turned seawater acidic, dissolved carbonate-shelled animals and devastated the biosphere. Millions of organisms would have died instantly from the tremendous tremor and the global fire generated from the impact.


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NEW EVIDENCE INDICATES GLOBAL FIRESTORM KILLED OFF DINOSAURS | Deseret News

Scientists Wednesday published new evidence to bolster a controversial theory that dinosaurs went extinct because of a global firestorm sparked by the impact of a giant meteorite.



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More Confusion At The K-T Boundary

[FONT=Arial,helvetica]Evidence of a global fire. Soot appears at the K-T boundary at many sites, but where did it come from? Chemical analyses of these soots show an enhanced concentration of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons over soots above and below the boundary. This is strong evidence of pyrolytic action at the K-T boundary; i.e., widespread fires. (Venkatesan, M.I., and Dahl, J.; "Organic Geochemical Evidence for Global Fires at the Cretaceous/Tertiary Boun dary," Nature, March 2, 1989.) Fire could have been initiated by either volcanism or impacts.[/FONT]

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Of course this event 65 million years ago has nothing to do with the Biblical Flood of Noah a few thousand years ago.
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[Greg1234]

Of course this event 65 million years ago has nothing to do with the Biblical Flood of Noah a few thousand years ago.
#120

What exactly does that have to do with it? It is a model.

 

[Belk]

Actually, it's not -- these are educated guesses.

You see, the difference is, when someone just 'makes things up', he eventually contradicts himself.

If you think it's so easy -- you try it.

You mean like claiming there was no evidence for the global flood because God cleaned it all up, then switching and deciding maybe there is evidence?