Every second....

[BigChrisfilm]

Every second of every day, someone dies. While you have been reading this, 3 people have died! Let me ask you a question friend. Do you care? Now, let me ask you another question, do you care enuff to do anything about it? Most of those people are going to hell. What are you doing for the Lord? This is only meant to make you think. I heard this on the Way of the Master radio show, and it was startling. He kept snaping his fingers every second, and I just wanted him to stop. What he said was so true, all I wanted to do was stop time. I can't stop time, I can try and bring some people to christ. We have to try and do something. So I say, what are you doing for the Lord today?

 

[Mister Emu]

Most of those people are going to hell.

How can you possibly know that?

 

[Jig]

How can you possibly know that?

13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.


I'm guessing this suggests the majority of the world will be going to Hell.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

How can you possibly know that?

Because the bible says that most people choose the pathway to destruction. Only a few choose the pathway to everlasting life.

Matthew 7:13
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 

[1corinthian13]

yeh.. well its not easy to persuade ppl to be a christian. workers are few.. says jesus

 

[BigChrisfilm]

yeh.. well its not easy to persuade ppl to be a christian. workers are few.. says jesus

It isn't about that. If you go forgive someone, they might not forgive you. But you are no longer obligated to forgive them over and over until they say, o ok. We just do this because Jesus wants us to. Jesus taught many, only few listend. So did he stop teaching because he didn't win the world over? Didn't he die knowing that over half the world would still be going to hell?

 

[1corinthian13]

what i meant was.. Jesus already said that the workers are few. its not that we are not working.
i think im obligate to forgive them over and over again.
and yes i know alot of the ppl are goin to hell without knowing christ. translation of bible is a huge key to it to for ppl in asia.
last.. its the heart of the ppl. i understand u.. i have alot of friends that arent christian and im prayin for them.

 

[RealityCheck]

It isn't about that. If you go forgive someone, they might not forgive you. But you are no longer obligated to forgive them over and over until they say, o ok. We just do this because Jesus wants us to. Jesus taught many, only few listend. So did he stop teaching because he didn't win the world over? Didn't he die knowing that over half the world would still be going to hell?

Oh you most certainly are. Jesus was asked how many times a person must forgive someone, whether once or seven times, and Jesus said "not seven times, but seventy times seven." This is not literally 490 times, but an expression meant to convey "as many times as necessary" - because, to a 1st century uneducated Palestinian, seventy times seven was an enormous number - too big to count to.

 

[1corinthian13]

its not only about forgiveness im talkin about.of course i forgive others. like i said above.. but what i meant is.. its not really our fault that ppl are dying without knowin christ. in the end we are battling against spirutal things. i know its not an excuse.. but Jesus knew that and said that the harvest is plentiful but workers are few.

 

[Leah]

The truth is that everyone is WITHOUT excuse when it comes to Jesus, accepting Him in your heart and living according to what He teaches in scripture and what He tells you personally. Jesus said that though this world shall pass away, His words will not. So again, you are without excuse.

Yes, as christians, it is our job to spread the gospel NOW while we can and let the Holy Spirit do the talking. But that's it. Jesus does the rest and it's time for us to understand that once and for all.

Just my two cents.

 

[Mister Emu]

One can make the arguement through Biblical knowledge that the majority of persons throughout the time of the earth will go to eternal punishment, but I fail to see how one can know that a majority of people who die in a specific timeframe are going to said eternal punishment

 

[RealityCheck]

If the majority of humans over time will go to hell, how does that jibe with the concept that God wants to save everyone?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

If the majority of humans over time will go to hell, how does that jibe with the concept that God wants to save everyone?

I guess you just can't always get what you want?

 

[RealityCheck]

I guess you just can't always get what you want?

Come again? I thought God could get anything at any time that he wants.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Come again? I thought God could get anything at any time that he wants.

Well, it is his will that we all be saved, but unfortunately, that isn't our will. God set up something unique with us. We are to decided if we want to go to heaven. God doesn't force us to accept him, but God does have to judge us at some point, and since he is just, he gives us want we want. Anyone that doesn't want to follow Christ, is telling God they want to follow Satan. Is there anything unjust about giving them what they want?

 

[RealityCheck]

Well, it is his will that we all be saved, but unfortunately, that isn't our will. God set up something unique with us. We are to decided if we want to go to heaven. God doesn't force us to accept him, but God does have to judge us at some point, and since he is just, he gives us want we want. Anyone that doesn't want to follow Christ, is telling God they want to follow Satan. Is there anything unjust about giving them what they want?

So........ our will is stronger than God's will?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

So........ our will is stronger than God's will?

He chose to make it that way I guess. It depends on how you want to look at it. Kinda like the glass half full or half empty? It's neither or, but it's our interpretation, and way we look at life that reflects our interpretation of this matter. I choose to say God favors us so much, that he is willing to give us what we want.

 

[RealityCheck]

He chose to make it that way I guess. It depends on how you want to look at it. Kinda like the glass half full or half empty? It's neither or, but it's our interpretation, and way we look at life that reflects our interpretation of this matter. I choose to say God favors us so much, that he is willing to give us what we want.

Thus, what about the person who wants eternal life, but is never brought the gospel? This is your original question I believe. Does that person WANT to follow Satan? Or did God simply fail to give that person the proper choices? Or...?

You could make this same argument with infants that, say, die in childbirth or early infancy. These humans never get the chance to consciously make a choice (which seems to be what you imply is the prerequisite for heaven). Do they go to hell?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Thus, what about the person who wants eternal life, but is never brought the gospel? This is your original question I believe. Does that person WANT to follow Satan? Or did God simply fail to give that person the proper choices? Or...?

You could make this same argument with infants that, say, die in childbirth or early infancy. These humans never get the chance to consciously make a choice (which seems to be what you imply is the prerequisite for heaven). Do they go to hell?

Age of accountablity comes to mind. Plenty of explainations for these types of things. Ultimately God knows who will and will not accept him, and he is able to get the gospel to anyone that he knows will accept him.

 

[RealityCheck]

Age of accountablity comes to mind. Plenty of explainations for these types of things. Ultimately God knows who will and will not accept him, and he is able to get the gospel to anyone that he knows will accept him.

First: What is the age of accountability? Show where that is defined Biblically.

Second: You've managed to just work yourself into the doctrine of Pre-destination, which states that God has already chosen the people that will be saved, even before the founding of the earth (see Ephesians), and God ensures that the gospel will reach those that are already destined to be saved.

Of course, then the question is BCF, why are you so worried? The person you listened to on the radio is obviously someone who believes in Free Will, the opposite of pre-destination, and he is thus of the belief that anyone and everyone has the potential to be saved.

Then again... you have to wonder if YOU are one of the chosen. Because, according to the doctrine, not everyone who receives the gospel will actually be saved! Since you have no power to save yourself by belief, and only God can choose to save you or not, you can only hope that you are chosen.