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[OldWiseGuy]

I know before the H retired his company asked for a basic skills test, and they had trouble finding people to pass that. It was basic math and verbal skills. The plant was manufacturing.

Back in the 1970's corporate leaders were asked what level of education their workers needed for their companies to compete globally. Their answer, "Eighth grade English, sixth grade math".

That equates to a 14 year old who has paid attention in class.

 

[HannahT]

Back in the 1970's corporate leaders were asked what level of education their workers needed for their companies to compete globally. Their answer, "Eighth grade English, sixth grade math".

That equates to a 14 year old who has paid attention in class.

Well, what does that say about our education system? Sigh. Although, from what he told us - the H - majority of the people that applied were high school graduates. It just blew my mind when he told me. It was more than frustrating for him, because he needed help badly.

I remember the last guy he hired was a man with a teaching degree. He couldn't get a job, and the one he got there paid the bills. He had another employee that went to school while working there, and graduated from college. He found a job in his field, and left.

The plant was union.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well, what does that say about our education system? Sigh. Although, from what he told us - the H - majority of the people that applied were high school graduates. It just blew my mind when he told me. It was more than frustrating for him, because he needed help badly.

I remember the last guy he hired was a man with a teaching degree. He couldn't get a job, and the one he got there paid the bills. He had another employee that went to school while working there, and graduated from college. He found a job in his field, and left.

The plant was union.

I often wonder if elementary and high school students who really aren't up to grade level are passed anyway as there are just too many of them to hold over. That would cause a serious gridlock in the system.

 

[HannahT]

I often wonder if elementary and high school students who really aren't up to grade level are passed anyway as there are just too many of them to hold over. That would cause a serious gridlock in the system.

I know when our kids were in school it was rather loopy. I had placed our oldest in developmental preschool, because I knew something was wrong. After their testing they accepted her. Elementary school came, and for some strange reason they wanted her tested for ADD. I asked our doctor for a referral, and she was tested. It was dyslexia.

So, I requested special help for her. They again did their testing. She failed in reading and comprehension, and was on the borderline of failing in most other areas. They claimed because she didn't fail in all areas? We were out of luck. I asked for referrals for out of school help, because this was out of my league...and they wouldn't give us any. Then insisted I do something. I made millions of calls it seemed like, and could find nothing. It was beyond frustrating.

I told them she can't pass her grade, because her comprehension of the material wasn't there. I knew she was flunking, and her papers clearly showed she was. It was a scary time. They passed her under the 'no child left behind' deal. (eye rolls) That wasn't the intent of the program of course, but that is what I was told.

We had other ugly happenings once my son came to school, and his family - my family - and us all got together. We decided to all pool our money together, and send them to a local private Christian school that had help for dyslexia. It was a blessing, and I'm so thankful for our families. I don't know what I would have done if it was not for them helping. We certainly couldn't afford it. They both went the 8th grade there, and bloomed! They returned to the district for High School, and did fine. She had the tools for the dyslexia at this point, and graduated - this time with me being comfortable with her progress.

Our school district is the second largest in the state. I've heard good stories from parents about the district, but along with mine? Plenty of totally unacceptable ones too. I know I wasn't the only parent that felt helpless to help their child, and we had no power to change that. I'm just glad we survived it.

 

[dgiharris]

Back in the 1970's corporate leaders were asked what level of education their workers needed for their companies to compete globally. Their answer, "Eighth grade English, sixth grade math".

That equates to a 14 year old who has paid attention in class.

back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s executive salaries and CEO salaries were way LOWER than they are now.

Just adding that to the mix of this thread. You can't argue data...

there is a "consequence" to wealth accumulation and a greater percentage of money being "funneled" to the top 1%. I will be truthful and admit I'm not a master of economics. However, there has to be a consequence and that has to relate to some of the economic problems we are having in this country.

Just sayin...

data doesn't lie and there are always ramifications for every action (good or bad)

When I had my big corporate job, it was amazing how much of company profits we funneled to executives in the way of "bonuses". There was this mentality that we execs "deserved" our bonuses because we had advanced degrees and were sitting at the top of the food chain and thus "earned it".

now, credit where credit is due, sure, when you put something together that earns the company a few million dollars extra profit then absolutely you should get a bonus. However, that was so few and far between... the reality is that a lot of executive positions are redundant or not all that relevant to the success of the company. I'd say that in my company easily 25% of the execs were a waste of space and did nothing but busy work making themselves looking important when in reality they did NOTHING. Yet those same execs got their $10k to $100k bonuses come bonus time.

So again, what is the ramification to the entire economy when almost all corporations and big businesses adhere to the above???

 

[HannahT]

So again, what is the ramification to the entire economy when almost all corporations and big businesses adhere to the above???

Not sure what you can do about how business runs themselves. As long as they do things legally - you don't have much recourse.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s executive salaries and CEO salaries were way LOWER than they are now.

Just adding that to the mix of this thread. You can't argue data...

there is a "consequence" to wealth accumulation and a greater percentage of money being "funneled" to the top 1%. I will be truthful and admit I'm not a master of economics. However, there has to be a consequence and that has to relate to some of the economic problems we are having in this country.

Just sayin...

data doesn't lie and there are always ramifications for every action (good or bad)

When I had my big corporate job, it was amazing how much of company profits we funneled to executives in the way of "bonuses". There was this mentality that we execs "deserved" our bonuses because we had advanced degrees and were sitting at the top of the food chain and thus "earned it".

now, credit where credit is due, sure, when you put something together that earns the company a few million dollars extra profit then absolutely you should get a bonus. However, that was so few and far between... the reality is that a lot of executive positions are redundant or not all that relevant to the success of the company. I'd say that in my company easily 25% of the execs were a waste of space and did nothing but busy work making themselves looking important when in reality they did NOTHING. Yet those same execs got their $10k to $100k bonuses come bonus time.

So again, what is the ramification to the entire economy when almost all corporations and big businesses adhere to the above???

You actually have to 'follow the money' to determine economic impact. I see it as a good thing, all things considered.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

So, I guess we're learning how important illegal are to this country.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Back in the 1970's corporate leaders were asked what level of education their workers needed for their companies to compete globally. Their answer, "Eighth grade English, sixth grade math".

That equates to a 14 year old who has paid attention in class.

IF companies want an 8 grade education. That should be a easy fix. If someone really want a job.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So, I guess we're learning how important illegal are to this country.

They do provide employment for those concerned with them. We may need immigrants but we sure don't need illegal immigrants.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

IF companies want an 8 grade education. That should be a easy fix. If someone really want a job.

I think the standards are a bit higher today......maybe 10th grade.

I have many graduate students living in the building that I manage. Many can't comprehend written notices, can't operate a door properly, can't separate recycle stuff from trash, don't know how to wipe their feet, can't park their vehicles properly, can't keep their vehicles on the pavement, constantly lock themselves out, lose their lease documents within twenty minutes of signing it, cannot keep their apartments clean, spill drinks in the halls and leave it there, won't report maintenance problems, etc. etc. etc. And these are the 'highly educated' leaders of tomorrow. God help us.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

That's probably more the case everywhere.

One of my cousins work in sales. She smokes pot. My other cousin smoke and drinks alcohol. But don't drink at work. Neither save lives. So I guess it doesn't hurt anyone.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I think the standards are a bit higher today......maybe 10th grade.

Yes, but for someone that wants a certain job. It should be possible to study hard enough to have a 10 a grade level. I think between drugs and smart people seeking higher paying job. That's why these jobs have a hard time finding employees .

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, but for someone that wants a certain job. It should be possible. I think between drugs and smart people seeking higher paying job. That's why these jobs find to hard to hire Americans.

Not quite sure what you mean. Can you rephrase it? Thanks.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

They do provide employment for those concerned with them. We may need immigrants but we sure don't need illegal immigrants.

As long as they behave. They're are both fine to me. Don't they have a DACA plan for illegals. But in the 40's 50's My grandpa from Canada and Mexico. I don't think they had to do so much to become legal. I know my grandpa, from Mexico went to war for America. But I have no idea. What he had to do to become legal. I assuming they became legal citizens.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

One of my cousins work in sales. She smokes pot. My other cousin smoke and drinks alcohol. But don't drink at work. Neither save lives. So I guess it doesn't hurt anyone.

Smoking and drinking are common habits and usually don't affect one's work much, although it can be tough working in the cooler with a good hangover (been there, done that.......brrrrrrrr).

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Not quite sure what you mean. Can you rephrase it? Thanks.

Yes, but for someone that wants a certain job. It should be possible to study hard enough to have a 10 a grade level. I think between drugs and smart people seeking higher paying job. That's why these jobs have a hard time finding employees .

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, but for someone that wants a certain job. It should be possible to study hard enough to have a 10 a grade level. I think between drugs and smart people seeking higher paying job. That's why these jobs have a hard time finding employees .

In today's job market employers don't have to settle for poorly educated people or those with drug habits, so both groups are out of luck.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Smoking and drinking are common habits and usually don't affect one's work much, although it can be tough working in the cooler with a good hangover (been there, done that.......brrrrrrrr).

I was told drinking 2 big glasses of water, before going to bed .When I drink alcohol. It helps with hang overs. It help. But it's still not pleasant to work the next day. So I see what your saying.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

In today's job market employers don't have to settle for poorly educated people or those with drug habits, so both groups are out of luck.

Yes, but if someone is told that their level of education isn't high enough. They could try to take classes. Even a GED get a better education. Companies are always looking.