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Bluelion · Jan 6, 2014

Do you ever think about past sins and feel how can I live with them even though they are forgiven. I often think about things I have done through out my life and think I just can live with that, but I can't fix it either. I know my sins are forgive and it is satan accusing before God. I find it hard to deal with the fact I am not perfect. I don't want to sin. i don't want to make mistakes. There is nothing I can do about the past. Maybe that is why so many people drink use drugs and party there life away. They just can't live with the things they have done. Maybe it is an attempt to drown out themselves and memories of things done. I have Jesus and have a hard time. I can not imagine the lost trying to deal with themselves. For me the hardest person to forgive is my self.

Loving my enemies is hard, but funny enough my biggest enemies I love a great deal. Jesus said a mans enemies would be his own family, this has been so true with me. My Mom, brother, and Dad are my worse. i reconciled with my Dad after I did not speak to him for a year. He saw either he was going to change or lose a son, so he changed. My Mom and brother however, have not changed. They still try to hurt me every chance they get. My brother spreads lies about me through out the family in order to get my families money. I never cared about there money. My grandpa died with out me speaking to him for the last 5 years of his life. I tired but my brother destroyed our relationship with lies. When he died my ant and uncle got everything, and my brother was also cut out of the will, along with me and my Dad. i don't speak to my aunt or uncle because of the lies my brother spread. In the end it did not matter he lost out on millions. I was never getting anything any ways so I lost out on nothing. Now my brother is causing waves between me and my Dad, He is planning my Dads death and after his money. If he is the only son talking to my Dad My Dad will have no one to leave his money to but him. In spite of all this I still love him. He has threaten to murder me and my family and yet I still Love him. Me and my brother are like Cain and Able. I don't want to love him but I do. He has abused me all my life, he use to hit me before I could speak, he is 6 years older. My Mom and dad abused us growing up whipping us for things like laughing or when they felt mad. I did not know that was not normal untill I was an adult. i thought everyone got whipped until they had big welts and could not sit down for hours. In spite of all this I still Love them, but i don't want to. They hurt me every chance they get, yet I forgive and love them. I know Jesus said to love everyone I find that hard but with my family who has done the worse to me i love and its hard not to. I don't even know what I love. i guess its unconditional.

The hardest thing for me is they don't see they ever did anything wrong to me. So here I am I love people i don't want to and have a hard time forgiving my self. Any one else have this problem?

I gave another post about free will, and this is why I feel like I have none. If i don't become the man God wants me to be i feel like I will die. I mean it is so strong I feel like I have to become what Gods wants, it everything I want. It is my meaning for Life. Some times I want to give up but I can't. I feel like i will explode. i guess i need to get busy becoming it.

Thanks for letting me share

Peace and Love
blu

USCGrad90 · Jan 7, 2014

You have a very tough past, but I think there is a part of you like Paul when he said "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." Romans 7:15

There is a part of us now that we are saved that looks on past and current sins and realizes how very far from perfection we truly are. You hate the sin so much, but realize it is a part of you that you can't shake free to truly serve as you want - even though you are forgiven. This is a form of self-abasement - acknowledging your wrong doing - past and present - and knowing it's not something you can change or fix - wishing it had never been done.

I have family I love, but find it very hard to be around. They do things I sometimes find hard to accept. I had to step in front of my sister-in-law at Thanksgiving because she threatened my daughter. I do not have the issues that you do, but in my case, there are certain in-laws that I do not visit, because of their lifestyle. I love them, but choose not to place my family or self in a bad situation.

You have a unique strength to be able to love and forgive those who hurt you the most.

Bluelion · Jan 7, 2014

USCGrad90 said:
You have a very tough past, but I think there is a part of you like Paul when he said "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." Romans 7:15

There is a part of us now that we are saved that looks on past and current sins and realizes how very far from perfection we truly are. You hate the sin so much, but realize it is a part of you that you can't shake free to truly serve as you want - even though you are forgiven. This is a form of self-abasement - acknowledging your wrong doing - past and present - and knowing it's not something you can change or fix - wishing it had never been done.

I have family I love, but find it very hard to be around. They do things I sometimes find hard to accept. I had to step in front of my sister-in-law at Thanksgiving because she threatened my daughter. I do not have the issues that you do, but in my case, there are certain in-laws that I do not visit, because of their lifestyle. I love them, but choose not to place my family or self in a bad situation.

You have a unique strength to be able to love and forgive those who hurt you the most.

Thank you but I have no strength. Its God i don't know how or why but he keeps me loving them.

Do you ever find your self longing for the time when you can be around all your Christian Brothers and Sisters and not have to worry any more about your family hurting you or others you love. To just be able to love free with out the hurt and pain? I think after my time on earth is finished i will need a long vacation with Jesus just to get my self right again. But I can't wait i want it now. I have felt Heaven inside me before i just can not stay in that feeling, in Gods will perfectly, i always do something wrong and slowly it fades little by little. I just want to love free.

godenver1 · Jan 7, 2014

Romans 8:1
Therefore there is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus

USCGrad90 · Jan 7, 2014

Matthew 5:11-12:

“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

Bluelion · Jan 7, 2014

I must say before this post i felt like I was the only one who had these feelings. It is a comfort to know I am not alone but sad also because I know how much other suffer with it.

St. Paul · Jan 8, 2014

Bluelion said:
Do you ever think about past sins and feel how can I live with them even though they are forgiven. I often think about things I have done through out my life and think I just can live with that, but I can't fix it either. I know my sins are forgive and it is satan accusing before God. I find it hard to deal with the fact I am not perfect. I don't want to sin. i don't want to make mistakes. There is nothing I can do about the past. Maybe that is why so many people drink use drugs and party there life away. They just can't live with the things they have done. Maybe it is an attempt to drown out themselves and memories of things done. I have Jesus and have a hard time. I can not imagine the lost trying to deal with themselves. For me the hardest person to forgive is my self.

Loving my enemies is hard, but funny enough my biggest enemies I love a great deal. Jesus said a mans enemies would be his own family, this has been so true with me. My Mom, brother, and Dad are my worse. i reconciled with my Dad after I did not speak to him for a year. He saw either he was going to change or lose a son, so he changed. My Mom and brother however, have not changed. They still try to hurt me every chance they get. My brother spreads lies about me through out the family in order to get my families money. I never cared about there money. My grandpa died with out me speaking to him for the last 5 years of his life. I tired but my brother destroyed our relationship with lies. When he died my ant and uncle got everything, and my brother was also cut out of the will, along with me and my Dad. i don't speak to my aunt or uncle because of the lies my brother spread. In the end it did not matter he lost out on millions. I was never getting anything any ways so I lost out on nothing. Now my brother is causing waves between me and my Dad, He is planning my Dads death and after his money. If he is the only son talking to my Dad My Dad will have no one to leave his money to but him. In spite of all this I still love him. He has threaten to murder me and my family and yet I still Love him. Me and my brother are like Cain and Able. I don't want to love him but I do. He has abused me all my life, he use to hit me before I could speak, he is 6 years older. My Mom and dad abused us growing up whipping us for things like laughing or when they felt mad. I did not know that was not normal untill I was an adult. i thought everyone got whipped until they had big welts and could not sit down for hours. In spite of all this I still Love them, but i don't want to. They hurt me every chance they get, yet I forgive and love them. I know Jesus said to love everyone I find that hard but with my family who has done the worse to me i love and its hard not to. I don't even know what I love. i guess its unconditional.

The hardest thing for me is they don't see they ever did anything wrong to me. So here I am I love people i don't want to and have a hard time forgiving my self. Any one else have this problem?

I gave another post about free will, and this is why I feel like I have none. If i don't become the man God wants me to be i feel like I will die. I mean it is so strong I feel like I have to become what Gods wants, it everything I want. It is my meaning for Life. Some times I want to give up but I can't. I feel like i will explode. i guess i need to get busy becoming it.

Thanks for letting me share

Peace and Love
blu

I think about my past sins all the time! I did a lot of stuff during my beer drinking and hell raising days that I'm not very proud of and wish I could go back in time and do all over again but I can't. I've had to learn to accept God's forgiveness even if I'll never forgive myself. I did a lot of juvenile delinquent stuff usually intoxicated. That's not an excuse, just the reality. I still beat myself up over all the stuff I did but I'm getting better at forgiving myself. You can't change the past so try to make the best of the present. I try to be the best person I can be even if I fall short! LOL!

St. Paul · Jan 8, 2014

USCGrad90 said:
You have a very tough past, but I think there is a part of you like Paul when he said "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." Romans 7:15

There is a part of us now that we are saved that looks on past and current sins and realizes how very far from perfection we truly are. You hate the sin so much, but realize it is a part of you that you can't shake free to truly serve as you want - even though you are forgiven. This is a form of self-abasement - acknowledging your wrong doing - past and present - and knowing it's not something you can change or fix - wishing it had never been done.

I have family I love, but find it very hard to be around. They do things I sometimes find hard to accept. I had to step in front of my sister-in-law at Thanksgiving because she threatened my daughter. I do not have the issues that you do, but in my case, there are certain in-laws that I do not visit, because of their lifestyle. I love them, but choose not to place my family or self in a bad situation.

You have a unique strength to be able to love and forgive those who hurt you the most.

Romans 7:15 is one of my favorite scriptures because I can really identify with Paul. I don't know why I do some of the things I do.

Bluelion · Jan 8, 2014

St. Paul said:
Romans 7:15 is one of my favorite scriptures because I can really identify with Paul. I don't know why I do some of the things I do.

It does help to know Paul struggled with this too.

USCGrad90 · Jan 8, 2014

I think Paul is telling us that we have a sinful nature that if you look closely you never get past, but the grace of God gets us past our imperfectness to offer salvation. As we get closer to God and grow in our Christian walk - we get better, but sin's always there.
When I was in college, drinking and cursing was normal, but I came to realize the effect that sin had on me and now don't drink and rarely curse. When I do curse - I'm quicker to realize it and regret it than I was in the past. If I ever can say that I never curse - there will always be some other sin in my life. Will I look at the new car my neighbor has and wish I had it? Does that mean I would be coveting what someone else has? If so, it's still sin and I am still imperfect. Thankfully Christ died for my sins and offers the means for me to be saved. I don't have to be perfect, but recognizing that I am not is one way that I know the Holy Spirit is working in me.

Vanguard PCD · Jan 8, 2014

Bluelion said:
Ever think

All the time!

Just thought I'd answer the title question.

Bluelion · Jan 8, 2014

USCGrad90 said:
I think Paul is telling us that we have a sinful nature that if you look closely you never get past, but the grace of God gets us past our imperfectness to offer salvation. As we get closer to God and grow in our Christian walk - we get better, but sin's always there.
When I was in college, drinking and cursing was normal, but I came to realize the effect that sin had on me and now don't drink and rarely curse. When I do curse - I'm quicker to realize it and regret it than I was in the past. If I ever can say that I never curse - there will always be some other sin in my life. Will I look at the new car my neighbor has and wish I had it? Does that mean I would be coveting what someone else has? If so, it's still sin and I am still imperfect. Thankfully Christ died for my sins and offers the means for me to be saved. I don't have to be perfect, but recognizing that I am not is one way that I know the Holy Spirit is working in me.

i think the hardest person to forgive is always our selves. I think this is true for most everyone. I know we will sin here, but i do long for the day when I will never sin again.

bobbarry · Jan 8, 2014

So Jesus lied when he said he came to set us free from sin??, here was his plan, he came and died on the cross so that you can be baptised by the holy spirit the exact same one that he was baptised with, do you think that same holy spirit cant save you from sin here and now. You know what go on any forum and the scripture's that get quoted the least of all the scriptures were what Jesus said...that cannot be right...it's always paul because we can justify what paul said to defend our spiritless lives. Did Paul die on the cross for you, were you baptised in paul, did paul save you from your sins?? I think paul gets a better deal than jesus to be fair. Lets start some threads with what the Lord jesus said and discuss them...we wont because we cant justify our spiritless lives with them. It's time we started looking up not to Paul or anyone else but Jesus, then we might get somewhere. We need the spirit not more struggling in the flesh

Bluelion · Jan 8, 2014

bobbarry said:
So Jesus lied when he said he came to set us free from sin??, here was his plan, he came and died on the cross so that you can be baptised by the holy spirit the exact same one that he was baptised with, do you think that same holy spirit cant save you from sin here and now. You know what go on any forum and the scripture's that get quoted the least of all the scriptures were what Jesus said...that cannot be right...it's always paul because we can justify what paul said to defend our spiritless lives. Did Paul die on the cross for you, were you baptised in paul, did paul save you from your sins?? I think paul gets a better deal than jesus to be fair. Lets start some threads with what the Lord jesus said and discuss them...we wont because we cant justify our spiritless lives with them. It's time we started looking up not to Paul or anyone else but Jesus, then we might get somewhere. We need the spirit not more struggling in the flesh

Let be clear God spoke through Paul, and if you say you don't sin you are a lair. It helps that a prophet who God spoke so much through that he wrote 13 books of the Bible with him, also expressed his struggles.

The heart of the Lord is mercy and forgiveness not condemnation. God wrote the Bible it is perfectly ok to use any part of as the word of God. what is it with people throwing out parts of the Bible. well Jesus didn't say it or its the OT we have the NT now. it is all Gods word.

bobbarry · Jan 8, 2014

For every scripture you can give me about us still being sinners after jesus set us free i will give you two that says we can live above sin and a lot of it will be quote's directly from Jesus. Surely if we take a small scripture from paul and i think there's another one about one that says if your say you dont sin your a liar what you've referenced above, after that you'll be running out very quickly, i will give you scripture after scripture that will contradict these 2 small scriptures that are so often used...surely if you throw out them scriptures that i will give you that deny's them 2 small scriptures that are taking out of context your throwing out parts of the bible too.

That first one for a start talks about paul in the past tense he goes on to tell us he gets victory in jesus if we read on...that victory is living above sin with the holy spirit if youre not living above sin you dont have the holy spirit i can back that up too scriptually if you need it.

The holy spirit did use paul to write the bible correct, the same spirit that spoke through jesus and if it was in the present tense paul was talking in it would contradict a lot of what jesus said and many other scriptures and we all know the bible definetely doesn't contradict itself, it's us that intepret it wrong because we dont have the spirit jesus promised to send that would teach us not somethings but all things as much as we like to believe that we do have it.

Bluelion · Jan 8, 2014

bobbarry said:
For every scripture you can give me about us still being sinners after jesus set us free i will give you two that says we can live above sin and a lot of it will be quote's directly from Jesus. Surely if we take a small scripture from paul and i think there's another one about one that says if your say you dont sin your a liar what you've referenced above, after that you'll be running out very quickly, i will give you scripture after scripture that will contradict these 2 small scriptures that are so often used...surely if you throw out them scriptures that i will give you that deny's them 2 small scriptures that are taking out of context your throwing out parts of the bible too.

That first one for a start talks about paul in the past tense he goes on to tell us he gets victory in jesus if we read on...that victory is living above sin with the holy spirit if youre not living above sin you dont have the holy spirit i can back that up too scriptually if you need it.

The holy spirit did use paul to write the bible correct, the same spirit that spoke through jesus and if it was in the present tense paul was talking in it would contradict a lot of what jesus said and many other scriptures and we all know the bible definetely doesn't contradict itself, it's us that intepret it wrong because we dont have the spirit jesus promised to send that would teach us not somethings but all things as much as we like to believe that we do have it.

Ok well i can not speak for the others in this thread, but me I am a sinner. I try my best to do God's will but do fall to temptation. I look forward to what Paul spoke of finishing the race where i will be free from it. Yes Jesus did set us free however the gift is not complete, we must finish the race as Paul said, and know when I say Paul I do not take it as Paul speaking these words but God speaking them to me threw him. To lie is a sin to look with lust is a sin, to not love everyone as yourself is a sin. I think we all sin, but we fight not to, and this is the struggle spoken of us, our cross we must bare. Heaven is not hard to get into, God wants us there. God is doing everything possible to get us there. Its all about Love.

If you are given the call to rise above sin, well that is fine and all, but every child of God is already struggling to do that. If you are preaching sin no more it reminds me of the teachers of religious law.

iambren · Jan 8, 2014

A confession. When I was 15 I had an affair with a married woman in her early 20s. She had two little children and they lived in a farm house in the country. The amorous meetings at the farmhouse were wonderful for a male adolescent,I was not a Christian but broke it off fearing I might get shot.

Now I occasionally drive by that farmhouse. I feel such loathing of myself and what I did;the darkness in my life then. I don't have a big problem with it,but it makes me SO thankful for God who took me from darkness to light. It is a precious gift to be forgiven and what difference to being born again into His Kingdom,a new creation.

Bluelion · Jan 9, 2014

iambren said:
A confession. When I was 15 I had an affair with a married woman in her early 20s. She had two little children and they lived in a farm house in the country. The amorous meetings at the farmhouse were wonderful for a male adolescent,I was not a Christian but broke it off fearing I might get shot.

Now I occasionally drive by that farmhouse. I feel such loathing of myself and what I did;the darkness in my life then. I don't have a big problem with it,but it makes me SO thankful for God who took me from darkness to light. It is a precious gift to be forgiven and what difference to being born again into His Kingdom,a new creation.

we can not change the past no matter how hard we try, but we have forgiveness. Our king washes our robes in His blood and make them white as snow.

I think everyone is living with something they wish they could change.

USCGrad90 · Jan 10, 2014

bobbarry - your arguments are inconsistent. I'm trying to put aside my own beliefs and evaluate your statements on sin and the Holy Spirit - purely from what you are telling us, but there are some things that don't add up.

1)You tell us that we do not know Christ and have not received the Holy Spirit, because we struggle with sin - which whether it is great or small in our eyes - it is the same in the eyes of God. So we are still lost and have not truly accepted Christ or the Holy Spirit because we continue to have sin.

2) You tell us that if we have truly received the Holy Spirit, we will overcome ALL sin and it will no longer be in our life. Essentially it will be impossible for us to sin, we will have no desire for sin, and we would have to somehow "force" ourselves to commit a sin.

3) You have stated that you previously had the Holy Spirit, but lost it. So - We can lose and regain the Holy Spirit. (I assume this is an infinite number of times...)

My questions are simple:
If YOU (bobarry) truly had inside you - at some point - the Holy Spirit as you describe it - under all of the guidelines you have stated - How is it possible for you to have sinned after that and lost the Holy Spirit?

How is it possible that YOU would have any DESIRE for sin or take actions to actually commit sin?

How is it possible that YOU could FORCE yourself to actually commit a sin, overcoming the power of the Holy Spirit in you?

bobbarry · Jan 10, 2014

What i meant by one drink, two drink then three drink i meant. One saturday i was out i had one. the next saturday 1 again. the next one again. the next saturday 2 drinks, i never tryed to keep it at one or that thats all i wanted. When i received the spirit i stopped smoking immediately, stopped masturbating sins that are common nowadays completely and i never tried a beat to stop any of them things they were gone completely thats the power of god.I didn't desire to do them whatsoever.

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