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If your going to be afraid of anybody God is a good place to start, but he has never been our adversary.
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The gospel of Damnationism:
Receive the free gift of salvation. Otherwise God will incinerate you.
The claim of Damnationism:
Jesus died to save you from God.
You might feel differently if you learned that you had been predestined to eternal conscious torment. And that only a select few were chosen to not suffer your fate. With no reason given for why this happened. A seemingly random selection.If your going to be afraid of anybody God is a good place to start, but he has never been our adversary.
our own reasoning is where Truth is crucified ...
Reason with man become unclean reason with God well, you get the picture ...You might feel differently if you learned that you had been predestined to eternal conscious torment. And that only a select few were chosen to not suffer your fate. With no reason given for why this happened. A seemingly random selection.
The common doctrine of the narrow way (Damnationism), means countless billions will be lost with no hope of escape. Eternal conscious torment.Reason with man become unclean reason with God well, you get the picture ...
The common doctrine of the narrow way (Damnationism), means countless billions will be lost with no hope of escape. Eternal conscious torment.
The Annihilationists say the lost souls will be incinerated in short order. A seemingly more "humane" solution to the "problem".
Universal Restoration says that the plan is to restore all of creation. To set everything right.
There is biblical support for all three of these views of the final judgment. But reason tells me that the God that expects me to love my enemies would do no less with his own enemies.
and you have no idea as usual regarding the unpardonable sin.A huge percentage of Christianity is Charismatic and Pentecostal. You just trashed the whole lot. Have you no fear of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? (attributing the work of God to Satan) What Jesus calls the unpardonable sin.
Many have culture shock and find out that they are not comfortable with a Charismatic and Pentecostal church. That's fine, it's not for everyone. Some think a church service should resemble a funeral, instead of a celebration. If that's what you are comfortable with, you should do it. But don't trash those who want to get excited about God.
However, none of it are private ideas, but truth God has shown to me,
I'll reply back at a later time, once I have better words to use to share about this.
We had a family friend, who happened to be a Jehovah's Witness. My mother, not knowing better at the time, asked if he could teach me the bible in secret,
Deciding that decision making is like Russian roulette is a decision you’ve made. The gun only goes off in your face when you try to reason that reasoning is bad, that’s the loaded chamber.
Christians don’t make decisions arbitrarily, they make decisions based upon principles. Like principles you’ll find in Gods word. If a person thinks that choices are like a random game of death, that only tells me that their choices are not informed by principles.
But that is an early example of different people's perspectives in my life, putting the truth of Christ in bondage. Also being a fearful child, did not help with thinking about asking questions. I just went with what I was told, by people I believed in.
Hi @Cormack ,
After honey badger replied, after my initial reply, I realized what a fool I was, as I was slow to listen but quick to speak. I'm very grateful you have all pointed out these issues with what I had to say. I have rarely shared in these parts of the forums. I am aware now I am not a child in spiritual maturity, but an infant, who thought he could dialogue with spiritual mature adults. Thank you for giving me a place to share, even if foolishly, but be corrected with truth.
Blessings to you brother.
That's why I don't buy the angry volcano god characterization of God we were taught in church. It doesn't add up. Unfortunately most Christians are happy to accept this character assassination, shrugging when they say, "It's in the Bible." Besides, "Who is the clay to tell the potter what he can do?" Thus painting God as a cosmic tyrant with a complete lack of self-control. And then we turn around and recite the fruit of the Spirit. "Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." None of which describe the caricature of God we have been given. Isn't the Spirit from whom the fruit comes a part of God? (yes) Then comes the explanation of a Janus-faced god of love and justice. As if this somehow balances everything out. We want God to love us but give our enemies hell. And we conveniently forget that mercy is an optional verdict when justice is delivered. And that God's love and mercy are unfailing.Often God appears as one who holds others to higher standard then he does himself ...
There you go with your doctrinal hairsplitting again. Your opinion being right and my opinion being wrong. I don't buy the stock answer on that question. And it is a highly debatable gray issue that you paint as black and white.and you have no idea as usual regarding the unpardonable sin.
Then comes the explanation of a Janus-faced god of love and justice.
Right.Logically is a real kicker though.
If the only just punishment for the rebel sinner is an eternal duration of hellfire, then nobody will have justice done, God can never say “it is finished,” because the punishment is never finished.
If the finite crime doesn’t deserve infinite punishment, then God wouldn’t doom people to hell forever,
If the finite crime does deserve infinite punishment, then God can never see justice done.
So, that’s a small part of how Christians change their mind, in my experience. I don’t see “reasoning with men” as wicked or immoral because God has put godly men in our midst, He’s given us all a spiritual family. People aren’t roadblocks to knowing God, they’re made in His image and part of how we know Him better.
Is Jesus walking this earth performing miracles ?There you go with your doctrinal hairsplitting again. Your opinion being right and my opinion being wrong. I don't buy the stock answer on that question. And it is a highly debatable gray issue that you paint as black and white.
For me, the answer is in the context of the passage. The Pharisees accused Jesus of using Beelzebub to cast out demons. (thus attributing the work of God to Satan) That is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in my view. So, when people come around accusing Charismatics and Pentecostals of satanic manifestations, I say that's skating on pretty thin ice. Just because you had culture shock doesn't mean it was the Devil.
I'm not surprised that you disagree.Is Jesus walking this earth performing miracles ?
That's why I don't buy the angry volcano god characterization of God we were taught in church. It doesn't add up. Unfortunately most Christians are happy to accept this character assassination, shrugging when they say, "It's in the Bible." Besides, "Who is the clay to tell the potter what he can do?" Thus painting God as a cosmic tyrant with a complete lack of self-control. And then we turn around and recite the fruit of the Spirit. "Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." None of which describe the caricature of God we have been given. Isn't the Spirit from whom the fruit comes a part of God? (yes) Then comes the explanation of a Janus-faced god of love and justice. As if this somehow balances everything out. We want God to love us but give our enemies hell. And we conveniently forget that mercy is an optional verdict when justice is delivered. And that God's love and mercy are unfailing.
a text without the context is a pretext for a proof text.....................I'm not surprised that you disagree.
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There you go with your doctrinal hairsplitting again. Your opinion being right and my opinion being wrong. I don't buy the stock answer on that question. And it is a highly debatable gray issue that you paint as black and white.
For me, the answer is in the context of the passage. The Pharisees accused Jesus of using Beelzebub to cast out demons. (thus attributing the work of God to Satan) That is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in my view. So, when people come around accusing Charismatics and Pentecostals of satanic manifestations, I say that's skating on pretty thin ice. Just because you had culture shock doesn't mean it was the Devil.
A lot. Sometimes in unorthdox directions, which can be worrying and also liberating. But as long as we don't get dogmatic about our new view, I think we do okayRecently I read a book titled All you want to know about Hell, it explained 3 famous historic perspectives on the nature, duration and purpose of hellfire.
The three viewpoints were that the fires of hell torment (traditional hell,) the fires consume (annihilationism,) and lastly that the fires refine (universalism.)
Long story short (although the author argued well in favour of each and every perspective) I ended up changing my mind on the topic of hell.
Growing up in a non Christian household I’ve made spiritual changes before, but those changes were always in the general direction of a widely agreed upon Christian orthodoxy.
Changing my mind in the past and accepting the deity of Christ, salvation by grace or the inerrancy of the Bible were big decisions to me personally, but in the grand scheme of things those choices are still rubber stamped by billions of people worldwide (unlike holding to what feels like a novel perspective on hell.)
So, like the short story above, my question is have you ever changed your mind on the subject of faith, morals and worldview to go in an unexpected new direction?
Exactly.Logically speaking why would God have to save you from himself, or save you from what he will do to you if you don't let him save you.
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