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Ever been the victim of a preconceived notion?

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This is a great post.
Wed night, a bunch of us were out to eat after I got off work. My parents, our childrens pastor and his wife, and 2 of my friends. The conversation started out, when my mother commented on how one of the women she works with (She is a teacher at a christian acadamy here in town), is worried that they are letting too many "non churched" kids into youth on tues nights. This concernt mother felt that tues night youth group should be a safe environment for her child to go, without outside influences.
So this eventually led us to a discussion about how musicians and music are influincing kids to commit suicide (Im not getting into that one, but anyways :)) which led to another discussion.

They started talking about people and how they dress (comming from a pastor no less!) Anyways, they commented on "Goth" people... (Which I think is such a rude comment but anyways).... So this infuriated me and Mike. That night, I was wearing black dress pants and a black top... so I said to them, alright, Im dressed in all black tonight... you slap some heavy black eyeliner on me, and BAM, I would be labeled a goth on first appearances to someone... it just kinda shut them up... because they knew I was right. I was so angry by the end of that conversation, I wanted to scream.
You know, to other churches where I live, my church is known as the "rich, snobby church"... we ARE the biggest church in town, so of course we take alot of heat for that.... but sometimes, my church is exactly that... I often wonder how they would react if a well known prostitute, or homeless person were to one day show up in the front pew... would they be asked to leave? Or would our congragation simply sit tehre and stare... or would someone extend a hand of christian love to this person?

There was a young man who came to our church a few times.... He had blue hair... he sat up in the balconey (where most youth/college/carreer aged people sit) anyways... and he got the worse looks ever... I sat beside him one night aNd we had a great conversation... he was such a smart young man, who was really onfire for the Lord. It was refreshing to talk to someone who had such passion in Him for what he believed.
But after the service... everyone asked me what in the world Iwas thinking by sitting with him... I was like are you serious? :scratch:....... Sometimes christians can be so unlike Christ it makes my head spin.

Now in saying all this, I would be the first to put my hand up... I judge people... it sadly even happens here on CF like the original poster mentioned.
This is an area actually, I have really felt God working in lately.

And I am really sorry if I have EVER judged anyone on here without really realizing it.

Oh another thing I wanted to add... someone had mentioned how they get judged all the time... I know EXACTLY how it feels. I always have people tell me that... until I talked to you, I thought you were a huge snob. Or it wasnt until I actually got to know you that I realized you wernt stuck up.... Im just like my father, everyone things that hes snobby.. but really hes just shy until he gets to know someone. Now anyone who knows me, knows that I am far from shy... but it seems like I guess, just by the way I look, that I have this "better then everyone else" look... which breaks my heart, because that is soooooooooo far from how I think :(

But ya sorry for the rant... but now I am late for church hehehe
 
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Some great posts and an excellent thread idea.

I've done it at times as well in unfairly judging people without getting to know them first, and I agree that it can happen at CF, since I've sort of experienced it first hand. But at the heart of the whole matter is the fact that we are sinners and judgement is a temptation that sometimes we can't resist. The phrase "you can't judge a book by its cover" is as worn out as my adidas shoes :p but I just love it how SOTF demonstrated it to be so true. I know plenty of people with strange hairstyles and the like whose heart is so on fire for the spread of the Gospel, but in a society that is so image-focused, I don't think the concept of pre-conceived judgememt will stop any time soon. Again, fantastic topic to put up for discussion. :)
 
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I would like to point out that we should not be judgemental about "judgemental people" since "judgemental person" is just as much a preconceived notion as any of the others. For instance, I have had many people say to me "Don't judge me like that" when I wasn't aware that I was judging them in any way at all. So, there must be something about the way I relate to other people which simply makes me seem as if I would be judging them even while I am simply trying to understand who they really are.

If for instance I ask a person with colored hair whether or not they are into punk music (I have a couple friends from High School that died their hair and were all into punk - great Christian guys too) - why should that person snap back at me and say I am judging them? The trouble is that this matter works both ways. We need to be careful not to "judge" others (be open to learning about people rather than stigmatizing them) but we also need to be aware of how other people are likely to interpret our appearances. That way, I shouldn't be surprised when people think certain things about me, and I actually find it makes friendships more interesting if I always have small ways in which I break the mold.

The great thing about a lot of people who do things like die their hair odd colors in church is that they are often more secure in themselves than the multitude of people who "fit in". You just have to be open and friendly.

It is the people who appear to be shy who I worry about. If they are really shy, then I might approach them cautiously and draw them out. But if the person really is not shy, then that tactic would seem like a condescending gesture!!! Alas, it seems that without a surefire way to get information besides actually talking to the person, I am doomed to blunder through my relationships taking many attritions along the way.

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Yeah i learnt that lesson years ago when a hard looking leather clad biker came to work with us, it turned it he was a great guy and sincere and he just like dressing up and looking the part ...ive never forgot that lesson..John
 
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