Ever been a part of a Jewish observance?

[FrankFaith]

Sorry I just couldn't help myself...

I am saying we should not observe the feasts... you are saying we should observe the feasts...

so tell me how is that saying the same thing?

NO. I am NOT saying this. I never said this or even indicated that we should observe them. I said that it could be life changing to observe them, as in, we could learn a lot about God's character, have an opportunity to witness, and share the Love of God.

Your comments are absolutely unnecessary--you're preaching to the choir.

 

[PastorMike]

NO. I am NOT saying this. I never said this or even indicated that we should observe them. I said that it could be life changing to observe them, as in, we could learn a lot about God's character, have an opportunity to witness, and share the Love of God.

Your comments are absolutely unnecessary--you're preaching to the choir.

If I am peaching to the choir then why are we why are we even having this discussion?

 

[FrankFaith]

If I am peaching to the choir then why are we why are we even having this discussion?

Because you thought I was saying that we SHOULD observe them--so you sent my thread down this multi-page rabbit hole!!

 

[FrankFaith]

You've got a really hard head.

...I think we're probably related, bro!

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

That was my point earlier, no one has ever said in this thread, that we SHOULD follow the Law, and observe the feasts as a ritual. There is no salvation under any other name, but the name of Yehsua. Nobody is debating that, nobody is saying the feasts are going to gain us any favor of God, at all.
What we are saying, for the thousandth time, is to take part as a witness to how He has fulfilled them, to see why and how God set them up the way He did (as in Passover). Has anybody taken part in a Passover seder? Do you see the fulfillment? I have, and I do. It's an awesome thing the way it points to Yeshua, and what He did. The Jews basically take communion, and it is used as a witnessing tool for the Lord, to point to Him.
So, yes Frank, I have taken part, and if you want to know how it points to Him, let me know, I will explain it to you.

 

[PastorMike]

You've got a really hard head.

...I think we're probably related, bro!

the thing I am most famous for is my hard head and also my hard neck (i don't know if you use that expression in the states)

God bless bro... Mike.

 

[FrankFaith]

the thing I am most famous for is my hard head and also my hard neck (i don't know if you use that expression in the states)

God bless bro... Mike.

In the states we use the term, "red neck"!!

 

[Trish1947]

When I used the term 'life changing', I used it as a metaphor. I can see that that was truly a poor choice of words!! I should have explained that watching a ceremony unfold that makes reference to the Character of God at every turn could really show the average secular Christian today just how blessed and Loved they are--God's chosen people have missed Jesus even after all of these years of repetition, yet God has opened OUR eyes and embraced US instead. We would be seeing just how much God Loves His chosen children through the ceremony, as we recognize that they are bound for a different destination should they not recognize Jesus.

We are so Blessed--realizing just how blessed could be...life changing!!

We are to hold forth the word of Life. I don't know if Jesus could be found by the lost, in ceremony. Christians understand the types and shadows portrayed in the Bible. But people are born again by hearing the word of God, and through preaching. But if it is something that you wish to experiance, who am I to say it might not add to your walk of faith and understanding. Be blessed in your search to experiance it.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Have any of you ever been invited to a practing Jew's home to experience a holiday observance?

With our Christian observance of Christmas approaching, I'm reminded of a CF member who was a Christian but who had made a choice in his life to practice the Jewish lifestyle and Jewish observances because of the awesome symbolism that is reflected about the Messiah. I don't remember his name but I remember him telling us about a couple of these observances and it really sounded cool to me. I would really, really like to experience one of the Jewish holiday observances--I think it would be truly awesome--even to the level of being unforgettable or even lifechanging.

Have any of you ever experienced a Jewish observance? Please share!!

Being Messianic I really enjoy the Jewish festivals. There is deep symbolism that is directly from scripture and ordained by God Himself.

As a Messianic we know that Yeshua (Jesus) is Messiah and we know that following the rituals, festivals, etc., have nothing to do with our salvation but are a remembrance of what was done for us. Just as a person may wear a cross as a remembrance of Jesus dying on the tree everything that is done during a Jewish observance is a remembrance of what it was that God did for the Jewish people at that time.

Of course Messianics generally do not celebrate Christmas except maybe on their own in their own household. The Jewish celebratoin that is around Christmas is Channukah. It is the only Jewish celebration that is not scripturally ordainded of God. However, is a joyous celebration of the miracle God performed in behalf of His people.

I feel these things plus other traditions that are practiced are no more a work than the Christian church telling people they have to come to the alter to accept Christ, or using anointing oil, or wearing a cross around our neck, or whatever it is we do as Christians. I think it would be a benefit to learn the reason behind the celebration and/or the practice...such as the tallit. To me that is the most awsome symbol of Gods covering of us.

Many a non-believing Jew has come to know Yeshua as Savior through the symbolism they grew up with but suddenly their eyes were opened and they understood. Christians churches have rituals too.

 

[God_Owned]

This is my last post on the subject bro, I will not be answering any more posts...

Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law and all the OT sacrifices and feasts... We as believers don't need to put ourselves back under a system that didn't even work... it didn't work for the Jews, these things were only a temporary measure until Christ was revealed and if that is the case why would we want to go back under a system of feasts and sacrifies that were imperfect in the first place and didn't work...

As for the rest of the people posting here, you don't need to be ensnared by teaching or even suggestions that we should somehow be observing the feasts... it is an insult to the finished work of Christ to be going back and performing feasts that he fulfilled... God bless, Mike.

Great summation Bro.

 

[God_Owned]

I won't be posting anymore on the subject, but to say that what you said that it might even be life changing. Observing feasts, rituals, and laws is not capable of changing a life. That's why Jesus came to begin with.

Great post Trish!

 

[God_Owned]

could a possible difference in reasoning between Jews and Christians for the celebration of the feasts be one of motivation (on the part of the Jews) and increased knowledge and spiritual discernment (on the part of the Christians) ?

The Jews celebrate the feasts because they are still under the law and are commanded to do so by the law.

But Christians, being free from both the obligations and effects of the law, could voluntarily take part in the feasts in much the same way as historical reenactors do; to further understand those Jewish traditions.

There be neither Jew nor Gentile... The Jews are no more under the law than we are.

 

[God_Owned]

NO. I am NOT saying this. I never said this or even indicated that we should observe them. I said that it could be life changing to observe them, as in, we could learn a lot about God's character, have an opportunity to witness, and share the Love of God.

Your comments are absolutely unnecessary--you're preaching to the choir.

Are you saying that you can get something from the feasts that God can't give you. I think the biggest thing you'll change in your life if you keep the feast is you waist line.

 

[God_Owned]

Because you thought I was saying that we SHOULD observe them--so you sent my thread down this multi-page rabbit hole!!

If you're saying that they can be like changing then aren't you saying that they are beneficial and then, using your logic, shouldn't we do them?

 

[God_Owned]

You've got a really hard head.

...I think we're probably related, bro!

Almost as hard as mine.

 

[God_Owned]

Being Messianic I really enjoy the Jewish festivals. There is deep symbolism that is directly from scripture and ordained by God Himself.

As a Messianic we know that Yeshua (Jesus) is Messiah and we know that following the rituals, festivals, etc., have nothing to do with our salvation but are a remembrance of what was done for us. Just as a person may wear a cross as a remembrance of Jesus dying on the tree everything that is done during a Jewish observance is a remembrance of what it was that God did for the Jewish people at that time.

Of course Messianics generally do not celebrate Christmas except maybe on their own in their own household. The Jewish celebratoin that is around Christmas is Channukah. It is the only Jewish celebration that is not scripturally ordainded of God. However, is a joyous celebration of the miracle God performed in behalf of His people.

I feel these things plus other traditions that are practiced are no more a work than the Christian church telling people they have to come to the alter to accept Christ, or using anointing oil, or wearing a cross around our neck, or whatever it is we do as Christians. I think it would be a benefit to learn the reason behind the celebration and/or the practice...such as the tallit. To me that is the most awsome symbol of Gods covering of us.

Many a non-believing Jew has come to know Yeshua as Savior through the symbolism they grew up with but suddenly their eyes were opened and they understood. Christians churches have rituals too.

I'll pray for you!

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I'll pray for you!

Thank you. Thats appreciated. I believe as believers in Christ we are to lift one another up in prayer. I will keep you in my prayers as well.

 

[J4Jesus]

Originally Posted by PreacherMike
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I am saying we should not observe the feasts... you are saying we should observe the feasts..................

NO. I am NOT saying this. I never said this or even indicated that we should observe them.

If I am peaching to the choir then why are we why are we even having this discussion?

Because you thought I was saying that we SHOULD observe them--so you sent my thread down this multi-page rabbit hole!!

LOL!!!!

You've got a really hard head.

...I think we're probably related, bro!

the thing I am most famous for is my hard head and also my hard neck (i don't know if you use that expression in the states)

God bless bro... Mike.

In the states we use the term, "red neck"!!

ROFL!! You two are a riot!

 

[Father Rick]

You can know them without keeping them, and by so doing, exercise the law.

This is exercising the law and is wrong. It is also encouraging people to serve the law.

I wonder, do you feel the same way about the 10 commandments? That by not stealing or not lying we are somehow "exercising the Law" or "serving the Law"?

We aren't to celebrate Passover ether. We are to take Communion.

Oh, so it's wrong to do what Jesus did, the way He did?

Like I said Catholic legalism is really coming out strong in your posts.


Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

If you read through my posts, you will see I have repeatedly stated that one's salvation in no way depended on whether they did or did not celebrate the Feasts. I made no statements at all that any righteousness was gained from keeping the Feasts, only that we could learn from them.

I posted this verse before, but will repeat it here, since it is exactly what is being discussed.

14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another ? To his ownmaster he standsorfalls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another * regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.

I, for one, am free to keep the Feasts in order to learn from them. I am also free to not keep them. I'm not a slave to them either way, as you suggest. So I ask you... which person has the most freedom? The one who is free to either keep or not keep the Feasts, or the one who is only free to not keep the Feasts? Which view actually shows legalism?




What I find most amusing in this post in particular is that you state it is "Catholic legalism", when in fact 1)most Catholics know very little about the Feasts of Israel, much less celebrate them and 2) my stance is actually the "free-est" of the views presented. I love how every time someone disagrees with me theologically, it gets blamed on "Catholicism", instead of actually addressing the myriad of scriptures I posted to support my view.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I wonder, do you feel the same way about the 10 commandments? That by not stealing or not lying we are somehow "exercising the Law" or "serving the Law"?

This is an excellent point! Everything we are instructed for us to do in the New Testiment IS in the OT. So, everytime we do anything written in scripture we are exercising His instructions (commonly called the law)....and THAT IS NOT ERROR!

Error is expecting that observance to save you. Or expecting that keeping that observance makes one a better Christian. Such as many believe that reading one's Bible every day makes them a better Christian than any who do not read it every day.

It's legalism to tell anyone they "have" to observe the feasts. It's also legalism to tell someone they "can't".