Eve was already planned before she was created from Adams rib.

[YahuahSaves]

But I would put it on us as we write and read differently now, not different enough for The Bible not to make sense but enough to create tiny problems like this where it can be confusing in some parts.

I agree with that^

Struggling is fine, personally in my mind there's a distinction between questioning and doubting. Doubting doesn't really seek an answer whereas questioning is the pursuit of one. Questioning combined with prayer = 1 Thessalonians 5:21 & Philippians 2:12-13.

Huh...never thought of it that way... I always considered questioning to be doubting...many Christians think so as well. Have I been struggling? Yes I have of late. Too much backstory to go into here but I'm trying to reconcile the bible with some of my personal revelations from God, and at times it feels so limiting that I feel it's frustrating. I went to my physical bible to find this passage:

John 21:25

25 Jesus also did many other things. If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written.

And I just found something interesting (thinking the above passage was at the end) perhaps the "don't add or take away" from scripture people refer to is this:

Revelation 22:18-19

18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

But considering this is end-times prophecy, and scripture is 66 separate books, that passage only refers to the book of revelation. (I think I just had an ah-ha! moment).

One thing that might help with the specific nature of God's omniscience is that pre-planning does not mean pre-determining all things.

Omniscience doesn't describe predetermination, only "all-knowing" (as I linked in my OP.)

that God in His omniscience has given us real choice.

100% ^

Also while we share in creation and God loves us greatly, ultimately everything created is for Christ Colossians 1:16. God has redeemed a people who love Him and will be with Him forever, think about how awesome that is.

Yes, and is what I choose to focus on (as much as my over-thinking brain will allow)

I struggled with this also but it was 2 Chronicles 32:31 (Edit: got a number wrong for the verse) and it caused me a lot of stress, turns out the Hebrew word for know also means reveal. God did this not just for our benefit because we're reading the story and lesson from it but for Hezekiah's and the people of Judah.

Interesting ^ thanks for sharing!

 

[Tranquil Bondservant]

But considering this is end-times prophecy, and scripture is 66 separate books, that passage only refers to the book of revelation. (I think I just had an ah-ha! moment).

Is it possible that more books could be added to the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

Is it possible that more books could be added to the Bible? Are there any books missing from the Bible?

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Hey I am a bit exhausted from all of this writing I've been doing all day and I was going to let it be but I just thought I'd mention that we can miss the mark with the revelations God gives us, it's why we're told to test everything (1 John 4:1). Due to this the revelations The Holy Spirit gives you for your life are not the same as what's written in scripture. I personally can't tell you how many mistakes I've made regarding something God has given me only for it to come true in another way that I didn't expect at a time I didn't expect and realise after the fact how wrong I interpreted it. God's Word trumps our reason every time. Just please be careful. Pray for clarity .

 

[YahuahSaves]

Is it possible that more books could be added to the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

Is it possible that more books could be added to the Bible? Are there any books missing from the Bible?

www.gotquestions.org

Hey I am a bit exhausted from all of this writing I've been doing all day and I was going to let it be but I just thought I'd mention that we can miss the mark with the revelations God gives us, it's why we're told to test everything (1 John 4:1). Due to this the revelations The Holy Spirit gives you for your life are not the same as what's written in scripture. I personally can't tell you how many mistakes I've made regarding something God has given me only for it to come true in another way that I didn't expect at a time I didn't expect and realise after the fact how wrong I interpreted it. God's Word trumps our reason every time. Just please be careful. Pray for clarity .

OK no worries. Like I said, it is too much of a backstory to go into here but the revelation in question I received was not personal. It was biblical but there are "pieces" that don't fit. I'm considering reading the book of Enoch to see whether there is anything that's relevant to the 66 books we have now.

 

[Tranquil Bondservant]

OK no worries. Like I said, it is too much of a backstory to go into here but the revelation in question I received was not personal. It was biblical but there are "pieces" that don't fit. I'm considering reading the book of Enoch to see whether there is anything that's relevant to the 66 books we have now.

Keep in mind that the book of Enoch while in the Ethopian Bible was not considered inspired by the majority of the early Church due to the criteria that was seemingly used. What Criteria Were Used to Recognize Which Books Belonged in the New Testament Canon?

Best of luck with your research.

God bless .

 

[YahuahSaves]

Keep in mind that the book of Enoch while in the Ethopian Bible was not considered inspired by the majority of the early Church due to the criteria that was seemingly used. What Criteria Were Used to Recognize Which Books Belonged in the New Testament Canon?

Best of luck with your research.

God bless .

Yes, but I have read about certain things to do with the "early church" that seems suspect to me so (because I would like to be sure) I do my research. Thanks for the friendly warning though

 

[Mark Quayle]

Another thread made me think of what appears to be a contradiction in scripture. Many people seem to think God made Eve solely because Adam was "lonely". The scripture does say it. But that seems to be a gross assumption that somehow Eve was just an "afterthought" and God had no intention of creating humans with equal value. He created all the animals to be "male and female", why would he create Adam first and then Eve? My guess is if he created them at the same time, God could not guide Adam and build a relationship with him as easily if he already had a mate to depend on (perhaps).

I'm not a fan of KJV, but since it was one of the first English translations, I thought perhaps the error was in the translation, but it and my (NLT) version both say "male and female" He created them. I don't know what verse 27 is about, so someone with a KJV bible will have to verify the internet version.

Genesis 1:26-28
King James Version

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Then immediately in Genesis 2, we read:

Genesis 2:18-20

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him.” 19 So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man[a] to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one. 20 He gave names to all the livestock, all the birds of the sky, and all the wild animals. But still there was no helper just right for him.

So is this apparent contradiction in the OG old Testament? I would like to know if it's a mistranslation of the original hebrew. If not, it does seem like God created Eve as an afterthought according to Genesis 2.

It is our simplistic, loving-of-the-spectacular, minds that want God to do how we would do. One thing I have noticed for a long time about the way God does things, that needs remarked upon, but not excused or explained, is his use of the menial, the mundane, and even the silly, to accomplish his ends. It may sound as silly that Christ did certain things expressly for the purpose of fulfilling scripture, rather than scripture being written to describe what he would have done had that scripture not prophesied it. Yet, with the making of Eve for God's purposes, the fact that God had planned it from the beginning is no more to be disputed than that the fall of Adam and Christ's death was planned from the beginning (Acts 2:23).

 

[Sheila Davis]

Another thread made me think of what appears to be a contradiction in scripture. Many people seem to think God made Eve solely because Adam was "lonely". The scripture does say it. But that seems to be a gross assumption that somehow Eve was just an "afterthought" and God had no intention of creating humans with equal value. He created all the animals to be "male and female", why would he create Adam first and then Eve? My guess is if he created them at the same time, God could not guide Adam and build a relationship with him as easily if he already had a mate to depend on (perhaps).

I'm not a fan of KJV, but since it was one of the first English translations, I thought perhaps the error was in the translation, but it and my (NLT) version both say "male and female" He created them. I don't know what verse 27 is about, so someone with a KJV bible will have to verify the internet version.

Genesis 1:26-28
King James Version

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Then immediately in Genesis 2, we read:

Genesis 2:18-20

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him.” 19 So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man[a] to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one. 20 He gave names to all the livestock, all the birds of the sky, and all the wild animals. But still there was no helper just right for him.

So is this apparent contradiction in the OG old Testament? I would like to know if it's a mistranslation of the original hebrew. If not, it does seem like God created Eve as an afterthought according to Genesis 2.

I personally don't believe the woman was an afterthought.

Is it a possibility foreseeing what would occur, out of love and regret God delayed his forming of woman - knowing failure with mankind was inevitable.

OR

When did the Hebrews begin writing - when did the Hebrews begin to learn to actually read what they were writing - was reading and writing common or uncommon with the people. The first known writings is said to be dated back to the 10th /11th century BC.
When did Moses live? Encyclopedia Britannica estimates 13th/14th century BC - estimation could be off a few hundred years - no one knows a definite timeline. According to Hebrew scriptures Moses was educated through the Egyptians and if he wrote the first five books as the church states he did, then Genesis and some of Exodus were told to him from the keepers of knowledge of the Hebrews. Sometimes people add their own views. It seems that Moses was able to understand the language the Hebrews spoke and was able to write it - was he their teacher in the craft of writing and reading?

The Hebrews were just beginning to learn to write _ just beginning to learn to read what they wrote _ and they had no formal way of writing as the educated people of the modern days. (Most of the people in the world until the past few centuries didn't read or write.)

We know the Bible tells us that the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem. There is still a ongoing debate as to whether Ezra the scribe actually wrote or rewrote or changed the Book of Moses / Laws. Whether he did or didn't still it would come from knowledge passed down generation to generation _ did he rewrite and in some cases gave his own view?

The same thing applies to Jerusalem under the destruction of the Roman empire _ even the Dead Sea scrolls are dated 2,000 years ago which means they were wrote and hidden around the Roman occupation of and destruction of Jerusalem.

Honestly we don't know as an absolute, we can only surmise what has been passed down to us is as close to the truth as possible.
The warning in the book of Revelation not to add to or take away is there for a reason.

 

[YahuahSaves]

It is our simplistic, loving-of-the-spectacular, minds that want God to do how we would do. One thing I have noticed for a long time about the way God does things, that needs remarked upon, but not excused or explained, is his use of the menial, the mundane, and even the silly, to accomplish his ends. It may sound as silly that Christ did certain things expressly for the purpose of fulfilling scripture, rather than scripture being written to describe what he would have done had that scripture not prophesied it. Yet, with the making of Eve for God's purposes, the fact that God had planned it from the beginning is no more to be disputed than that the fall of Adam and Christ's death was planned from the beginning (Acts 2:23).

Indeed!

1 Corinthians 1:27

27 Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful.

​

 

[YahuahSaves]

I personally don't believe the woman was an afterthought.

Me neither

Honestly we don't know as an absolute, we can only surmise what has been passed down to us is as close to the truth as possible.
The warning in the book of Revelation not to add to or take away is there for a reason.

Very true... actually, considering there are 66 books that became 1 book, my guess is revelation is specifically talking about not changing the words of prophecy in that particular book.

Revelation 22:18-19

18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Me neither


Very true... actually, considering there are 66 books that became 1 book, my guess is revelation is specifically talking about not changing the words of prophecy in that particular book.

Revelation 22:18-19

18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

Possibility that Revelation is talking solely about Revelations but the Bible is one book - the book of laws which contained many books was considered one book from my understanding.

 

[RDKirk]

For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. -- Ephesians 1

God foreknew all of us, including Eve before he created Adam.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Possibility that Revelation is talking solely about Revelations but the Bible is one book - the book of laws which contained many books was considered one book from my understanding.

Sure... but the laws aren't the same as prophecies....on a side-note: I would be interested to know your opinion on my thread Here

 

[YahuahSaves]

For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. -- Ephesians 1

God foreknew all of us, including Eve before he created Adam.

Good answer! Perhaps you would like to participate on my other thread Here

 

[Sheila Davis]

Sure... but the laws aren't the same as prophecies....on a side-note: I would be interested to know your opinion on my thread Here

Yes, modern man has divided the Bible into not only the book of laws but the poetic books, the prophetic books, and historical books.

The usage of the word book did not come into play until in the area of 1200 AD - long after the first translations of the Hebrews Scrolls of the Old Testament and of the Greek writings of the New.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Yes, modern man has divided the Bible into not only the book of laws but the poetic books, the prophetic books, and historical books.

The usage of the word book did not come into play until in the area of 1200 AD - long after the first translations of the Hebrews Scrolls of the Old Testament and of the Greek writings of the New.

Look, I'm not suggesting we add to the bible. It has had things added and removed that we may never fully know the extent of. But as far as the passage in revelation is concerned, it's the only "book" that explicitly states and defines what not to add to or remove from scripture.

prophecy
noun

1) An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
2) A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
3) Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Look, I'm not suggesting we add to the bible. It has had things added and removed that we may never fully know the extent of. But as far as the passage in revelation is concerned, it's the only "book" that explicitly states and defines what not to add to or remove from scripture.

prophecy
noun

1) An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
2) A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
3) Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing.

You lead off with the word LOOK _ which to me indicates irritability - I'm just giving my views - no I did I say you were suggesting we add to the Bible - I apologize
God bless

 

[YahuahSaves]

You lead off with the word LOOK _ which to me indicates irritability - I'm just giving my views - no I did I say you were suggesting we add to the Bible - I apologize
God bless

No... I added the word "look" as a precursor to explain my view was not intended to make anyone on this thread think I believe we can add or take away from scripture, but that I believe the passage in scripture is specific to the book of revelation.... no irritability at all. cheers

 

[Mark Quayle]

Indeed!

1 Corinthians 1:27

27 Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful.

​

And THAT is evidence of his power —not in huge and mighty miracles, but that he can work all things together, including the weak and even the sinful, to accomplish what he had set out to do from the beginning.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Another thread made me think of what appears to be a contradiction in scripture. Many people seem to think God made Eve solely because Adam was "lonely". The scripture does say it. But that seems to be a gross assumption that somehow Eve was just an "afterthought" and God had no intention of creating humans with equal value. He created all the animals to be "male and female", why would he create Adam first and then Eve? My guess is if he created them at the same time, God could not guide Adam and build a relationship with him as easily if he already had a mate to depend on (perhaps).

I'm not a fan of KJV, but since it was one of the first English translations, I thought perhaps the error was in the translation, but it and my (NLT) version both say "male and female" He created them. I don't know what verse 27 is about, so someone with a KJV bible will have to verify the internet version.

Genesis 1:26-28
King James Version

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Then immediately in Genesis 2, we read:

Genesis 2:18-20

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him.” 19 So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man[a] to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one. 20 He gave names to all the livestock, all the birds of the sky, and all the wild animals. But still there was no helper just right for him.

So is this apparent contradiction in the OG old Testament? I would like to know if it's a mistranslation of the original hebrew. If not, it does seem like God created Eve as an afterthought according to Genesis 2.

Not that it isn't necessary to have Biblical reference to any particular doctrine or spiritual truth, but it occurs to me to mention that mere logic deduces as fact, that —given God's Omnipotence and the fact that he created all things— nothing that God created or did (to include Eve) was done as an afterthought. That would not be omnipotent, but mere very-potent.

 

[YahuahSaves]

"The modern western perspective of God ignores the Hebraic concept of "balance," which is an integral part of the Ancient Hebrews perspective of who God is."

"The idea of a single male deity is unique to our modern era. In all the ancient cultures, the Elohim was a male and female. In Egypt it was Osiris (masculine) and Isis (feminine). In Canaan it was El and Elat (also known as Asherah). To the Greeks it was Zeus and Hera. To the Romans it was Jupiter and Juno. To the Germans it was Odin and Frigg. I am not making the claim that the Elohim of the bible are a god and goddess, just that the attributes of Elohim are both masculine and feminine."

"In Genesis 1:4 we read that "Elohim separated the light from the darkness." The word for light is feminine while the word for darkness is masculine. Not only is this verse about the balance of light and darkness, but it is also about the balance of the masculine and the feminine." Read more here: The Nature of God