Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

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You will run into such questions as long as you insist on taking every verse of the bible literally. The truth Genesis is intended to convey is that God brought into existence all that exists. No, it wasn't in 7 literal days. No, it wasn't from Adam's rib. If you dwell on the specifics of this allegorical story, instead of asking what truths this story was meant to convey, you miss the whole point.

So many cans of worms you open up.
1 Tim 2:3 states "For Adam was formed first, then Eve;" For you to believe Paul then you would need males evolving then females.
The next verse is about the fall that you can't support with evolutionism...14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression.

The funny thing is Paul is laying down a reason for a rule about women in church. As you open your can of worms you now have to answer why Paul would use a an allegorical story as a means to back up his rule.

Why does Romans 5:12 say "sin came into the world through one man,"? Not via an evolving population but 1 man. Another contradiction between evolutionism and what the bible says.

Concerning the 7 days...have you ever read the 10 commandments? It also says 7 days in the 10 commandments.

It is true "The truth Genesis is intended to convey is that God brought into existence all that exists." But there is more. It speaks of the fall which according to your evolutionary beliefs makes the fall an allegorical story.
 
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Total waste of time. Anyone with a clear thinking mind can read Scripture and know for certain that Genesis was meant to be taken literally. Jesus said it was literal, too. But some people got an ego to invest in and lies to entertain. But nobody serious believes them.

How true.

There's so much that says Genesis is to be taken literally. Look what is written in Jude "It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones,"

Adam and Enoch are presented as literal people.
 
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Adam called woman woman because she was taken from man. How would old age evos who claim some belief of the bible explain this?
People like this have cherry picked the parts of the bible that they will hold as truth.

The parts of the bible that they hold dear are those of the gospel and the life of Jesus.
None of the bible has more miraculous and supernatural events than the times recorded in the bible that deal with Christ and his life... From His miraculous virgin birth, to baffling the religious leaders at age 12, to turning water to wine, walking on water, feeding more than 5000 people with two fish and a couple of buns... and having 12 buckets of left overs.... to replacing the ear of one of his arresting soldiers....

All of these miraculous event.... taken as solid gospel truth...


Why?

Simple, their eternal life depends on it.

Take anything out of the bible that does not negate their salvation, directly, and they can guffaw... at it.. They can call it a parable, a metaphor, an allegory or poem... Due to the simple fact that the eternal home of their soul does not depend on it... in their eyes.

Therefore, they can then take the assumptions, speculations and ramblings of mere mortal men and women to be more truthful and believable than the Words of our creator.

Sad.. but more common than I would have ever thought.
 
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We don't know. There is more evidence supporting the theory of evolution and what we were prior to what we evolved to now. Genesis doesn't state anything in support or in opposition to evolution or the "proto-monkey" if you will because the Bible is not a science book.

Genesis speaks in opposition to evolution when it says Eve was made from Adams rib. That certainly isn't evolution.

The following verse is also in opposition to evolution:
Gen 3:20 The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

If we were proto-monkeys then there would have been a population evolving and not one who was the mother of all living.
 
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You shouldn't use or rely on the Bible with determining, answering, or connecting with science.
You should and must unless you want to be deceived.
The word of the Almighty should not be used as a bridge or a scope to whatever science says. When you actually try to do that, you end up making/showing contradiction between science and God which makes the "word of the Almighty" looked fake because of scientific proof and reason.
Demon science contradicts real science and the bible. Science cannot bridge the spiritual, and therefore the past or future.


The beginning is unknown.
Not in the bible.
We are just simply told the main point, which is God designed everything.. whether it was through the big bang, or evolution, or whatever is the job of science.
We were also told the earth was here before the stars, and woman came from man..etc etc. We can rule out evolution and the big bang.


No, there are no details given. The writers of the Bible had no concept of things such as electricity, planets, continents or anything that we have known to be fact today. They where inspired by the Holy Spirit but they where not given such supreme academic knowledge of everything.
God made electricity, planets, and continents actually and He wrote the bible through the men.

We don't know. There is more evidence supporting the theory of evolution and what we were prior to what we evolved to now. Genesis doesn't state anything in support or in opposition to evolution or the "proto-monkey" if you will because the Bible is not a sSpoilercience book.
False. Zero evidence for the theory of evolution of life on earth.
Science is truth as well, but i know you being the typical devout christian will object to that.
Ever changing lies and demon talk actually that threatens the life of all on earth.

Science just takes time, study, experimentation to confirm what is true.
It goes to any length to avoid truth. The little it does know, it uses to threaten life on earth.

Does this lessen the credibility of the Bible, no; It should not. However when you do try to use the Bible for scientific clarification and confirmation, this is when you are lessening the credibility of the Bible.
Baloney. The bible deals in real science and real truth unlike demon science.

People made the word of God look like fiction just based on they applied the Bible for confirming scientific related things (the age of the earth, the shape of the earth, etc) and these where all proven wrong.
False. The earth is created by God and science is wrong.

The reality is, the Bible does state anything about the actual shape of the earth, the age of the earth, or how anything is designed in the Universe because it was not meant to be about all that.

It says all things consist by Him, and it tells us when the universe will infold on itself, and what comes next and how it got here and etc etc etc. The bible is meant to overrule demon science.

Stop making the same mistake that christians through the dark ages have been doing.
Believing is not a mistake it is commanded and not optional. Believing demon science over God is the mistake.
 
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Total waste of time. Anyone with a clear thinking mind can read Scripture and know for certain that Genesis was meant to be taken literally. Jesus said it was literal, too. But some people got an ego to invest in and lies to entertain. But nobody serious believes them.

I think part of the issue is that the Pope said evolutionism does no harm to the bible.

I wonder how they explain the fall and the results of the fall if Gen 3 isn't to be taken literally.

I've asked about the original sin and sin nature and never really get back a straight answer.
What happen? Did all the proto-humans decide to reject God all at once? Did the population receive a sin mutation? What ever their answer is it won't be biblical.
 
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Genesis speaks in opposition to evolution when it says Eve was made from Adams rib. That certainly isn't evolution.

The following verse is also in opposition to evolution:
Gen 3:20 The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

If we were proto-monkeys then there would have been a population evolving and not one who was the mother of all living.
No it doesn't. There isn't any details as to how our biology and all that where engineered into each other, it only gives what we needed to know which was we were created. Genesis isn't to be taken literally either and no body should deny evolution especially with the evidence we have. Only an ignoramus who refuses to accept facts will say other wise.

The bible doesn't dispute nor cosign evolution because it's not a science book. It doesn't tell you the secrets and the mysteries of the cosmos because that isn't important to it's message. The more christians force it to be so, the more christianity loses it's followers because of cornering God's word to be proven invalid.
 
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You should and must unless you want to be deceived.
Demon science contradicts real science and the bible. Science cannot bridge the spiritual, and therefore the past or future.
"demon science". Please stop making replies these. The whole "you are being deceived" or simply tagging satan/demons/evil to things you don't want to accept is an embarrassing excuse christians make that really has to stop - and i hope you won't show the typical shades of "bad" christianity by trying to make it look that you are "so good and in God's side which is why i'm correct".

God made electricity, planets, and continents actually and He wrote the bible through the men.
But none of the writers of the Bible had any concept of these things.

False. Zero evidence for the theory of evolution of life on earth. Ever changing lies and demon talk actually that threatens the life of all on earth.
There is evidence of evolution, you just don't want to admit or even do research on it. Additionally, Evolution is one of the best evidences in support of God. For species to have the ability to adapt and change to it's environment so that it survives makes sense if there was a mastermind behind it.

It goes to any length to avoid truth. The little it does know, it uses to threaten life on earth.
If something is true then there shouldn't be evidence or at the very least, an intelligent case against it. Because of views like yours, we have people believing nonsense such as flat and young earth.

Baloney. The bible deals in real science and real truth unlike demon science.
No it doesn't and it should not be misused to be such. The Bible has around 1,200 pages. Why would God waste that much space in explaining in depth things about the universe? The reason why is because he made the Bible to serve a different purpose, which is to know his revelation (Jesus). He didn't need to tell us the "behind the scenes" because he knew we were smart enough to discover it ourselves.
 
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Nothing inconsistent about earth not needing the sun in the past or future. All that may be inconsistent inside your head is how God could arrange light here before the sun was made. Piece o cake.

I suppose you could say Jesus was similar also, unless you looked closer and knew what you were talking about.


Actually his task was to set them free from bondage for the most part.
Other words are unbelief and rejection of Scripture.
God doesn't use that so called logic. He calls it foolishness.
Says you, who has not the smallest clue.

The Almighty wasted words describing how He did it? Good luck with that.

If God says He did it one way and you interpret things to mean another way altogether, that is important.
God never wrote it for us? Jesus seems to disagree.
If your scope does not have agreement with God, better lose your scope.

Says who??? Maybe He just wanted us to rest assured He can do anything and loves us and is the real creator etc?

Don't blame folks for having some connection to truth, or concern about it.
God's word can't be changed like your history.


Like how God got women on the planet!

You miss the point when you spiritualize it all away, and reject the plain reality of what the bible says, and try to turn it into fables, like science!
This is just a bunch of platitudes and one liners. I can turn around and say the exact same things to you... let's try
  • Says who??? Maybe He just wanted us to rest assured He can do anything and loves us and is the real creator etc?
  • Other words are unbelief and rejection of Scripture.
  • unless you looked closer and knew what you were talking about.
see it doesn't work that way either.

at least try and show me some respect and engage the conversation. All you have shown me is you don't want to sensibly discuss this, like a patronizing figure that all they can say is "because I said so"
 
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Jesus said it was literal, too.
He did not.

If somebody who does not know Bible or christianity well will read your post, you will make a terrible obstacle in his way to Christ, saying such untrue things.

We must be more careful not not to lay unnecesary burdens on people, as Jesus said.
 
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"demon science". Please stop making replies these.

A tree is known by it's fruit and science has lied about creation and origins in a very very very demonic way. So the origin sciences are directly demon inspired we can safely say! Really. Now you stop denying it. Even the things science CAN deal in are demonic in large measure such as the death dealing weapons and etc etc.

Defending demon science has to stop.


But none of the writers of the Bible had any concept of these things.
Jesus is the writer and Author...His Spirit. He not only has a concept, but created it all.

There is evidence of evolution, you just don't want to admit or even do research on it.
Show us here and now then. Hahaha


Additionally, Evolution is one of the best evidences in support of God
Not Jesus. Demon science claims we came about another way. Be honest, face the light.

. For species to have the ability to adapt and change to it's environment so that it survives makes sense if there was a mastermind behind it.
Yes we do have an ability to adapt and especially had an ability in the far past. Guess what adapted? The already created animals, and fish, and creeping things and man etc etc. NOT INTO man as demon science evolution says.

If something is true then there shouldn't be evidence or at the very least, an intelligent case against it. Because of views like yours, we have people believing nonsense such as flat and young earth.
Because of demon science, people have forsaken the belief Jesus created it all. As I said, there IS NO evidence for evolution of life on earth whatsoever, you are deceived and very mistaken.

No it doesn't and it should not be misused to be such. The Bible has around 1,200 pages. Why would God waste that much space in explaining in depth things about the universe?
What He DID explain shows demon science is lying.
The reason why is because he made the Bible to serve a different purpose, which is to know his revelation (Jesus).
To know Jesus one knows He created all things. To pretend to know Him and deny He did is to be a false witness.

He didn't need to tell us the "behind the scenes" because he knew we were smart enough to discover it ourselves.
That is Satan's line if you recall. 'You shall be as gods, knowing good and evil, don't believe God, you won't really die, He never really created..etc' Stop preaching demon science and worse.
 
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This is just a bunch of platitudes and one liners. I can turn around and say the exact same things to you... let's try
  • Says who??? Maybe He just wanted us to rest assured He can do anything and loves us and is the real creator etc?
  • I agree. He wanted us to know He is God and creator, unlike the claims of Satanic science.
  • Other words are unbelief and rejection of Scripture.
Other words than...what...other than Scripture??

  • If you did you would agree with God one assumes!
at least try and show me some respect and engage the conversation. All you have shown me is you don't want to sensibly discuss this, like a patronizing figure that all they can say is "because I said so"

Evolution says woman and man came from the birth canal...of whatever ape/monkey like imaginary creatures existed! God says He formed man like clay and then did an operation on him and made a woman from a bone.

Demon science has come out in the field of battle with the Lord God Almighty and I will use the sword of the spirit in battle, and fight to win. Thank you very much.

Mene, Mene, Tekel Upharsin ..demon science.
 
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I agree.

Theo-Evos need to make Genesis a parable, allegorical or a myth to force it to conform to evolutionism.
We all do, there are aspects of the creation account that are conflicting, for example there are 2 creation accounts that don't mirror each other and other inconsistencies like light created before the sun.

Everyone says some answer to it but they can't be reconciled in a literalist vacuum. For example I have heard it said the light was the glory of God as it is spoken of in the new Jerusalem in Rev. This is clever, and I like it, but it needs to be thought out better for a literalist. Does this mean the glory of God was created and it didn't pre-exist with God? Where did this light come from since light comes from a source this would conflict with the infallible nature and characteristics of God. Clearly, scripture shows a separation of light and darkness so where was the point of origin of this light? The moment it is materialized and takes a static position it is beneath the glory of God.

This foreshadowing to the New Jerusalem is great but literalist can't seem to grasp that there is a lot of metaphor in this stance and for it to fit a literal interpretation it would have to be a disembodied physical manifestation of light of the glory of God that would later be abrogated by the light of the sun (since we no longer see this light). You can't call it spiritual, metaphorical or reorganize the days to fit because these would all corrupt a literal interpretation.

Genesis pre-abraham is a lot different than Genesis post-abraham and I would say the early parts are more involved with laying foundation for a very paganized post-exodus Israel showing that God is the source of all things. The surface literal details are not the focus of these accounts and they are going to fail when we try and turn them into that.
 
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Eve being created out of the bone of Adam shows something, everything created in 6 days and God resting on the 7 shows something, but I think we missed the point when all we can see is the literal surface meaning.

Yes! You make my point entirely. Reading Genesis Ch.2 as purely historical narrative leads to over simplified interpretation of what is in the text, and the tendency to completely ignore the author's inspired storyline and the crucial elements of his legend. It is simply not good enough to read the story of the creation of 'man' and 'the fall' as we would read an official historical account of The Attack on Pearl Harbour or the Normandy invasion. With those it is simply a question of accepting that they happened the way the historical account relates, if the accounts are actually 'true'. With reading Genesis Ch.2-5 we are dealing with the work of an author inspired by God to relate to us spiritual truths about the psychological, emotional and spiritual makeup of the human race, here and now. Every element in the story has a reason for being there other than merely being accidentally there because it just 'happened that that way'. The story is so utterly misunderstood that some 'believers' believe things concerning it that are simply not 'true' and not even contained in the text. Yet they still insist on believing it.

Take for instance the notion that before 'the fall', Adam and Eve were immortal. The text actually insists that they could not have been. Yet so many YECs insist it must be 'true' because they simply cannot tolerate their carefully constructed theology being called into question, so they resist examining the actual text, preferring their own conclusions. We know that Adam and Eve were never immortal because they were kicked out of the garden BEFORE they ever ate of the tree of 'life'.

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Gen.3:22-24.

[Wisdom] is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her:
and happy is every one that retaineth her
. Prov.3:18.

The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life;
and he that winneth souls is wise
. Prov.11:30.

Hope deferred maketh the heart sick:
but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.
Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed:
but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded
. Prov.13:12-13.

A wholesome tongue is a tree of life:
but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit
. Prov.15:4.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Rev.22:1-2.

A tree called 'SHE' not it, (see Prov.3:18), Yet NECs insist on their historical narrative being literally interpreted and happily picure a 'female' real tree, which they wrongly assume Adam and Eve must have eaten the fruit of, thus becoming 'immortal', (even though the story deliberately says they were prevented from eating of it, to stop them from becoming immortal), then ate the fruit of 'the knowledge of good and evil' tree, and disobeyed God, so God punished them and us with 'death'.

Simple theology for minds incapable of dealing with complexity.

It just goes to show how capable of total un-understanding 'historical simplicity' and biblical literalism can render some unthinking and unobservant minds.

They got more knowledge than was good for them but they did not get wisdom.

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate. Gen.3:6.

That was the LIE. A lie that YECs still seem to be believing. They got fruit from the wrong tree on advice from the wrong person.
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  • I agree. He wanted us to know He is God and creator, unlike the claims of Satanic science.
Other words than...what...other than Scripture??

  • If you did you would agree with God one assumes!

Evolution says woman and man came from the birth canal...of whatever ape/monkey like imaginary creatures existed! God says He formed man like clay and then did an operation on him and made a woman from a bone.

Demon science has come out in the field of battle with the Lord God Almighty and I will use the sword of the spirit in battle, and fight to win. Thank you very much.

Mene, Mene, Tekel Upharsin ..demon science.
You are still not making any unique or useful points. There is no depth to these responses and they are just full of labeling and posturing but a large void of relevant information or sourcing that will build your points. All you are saying is "I'm right and you're wrong" with nothing to show why. Can you show me some respect and engage the conversation at the level it demands?
 
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Defending demon science has to stop.

How about you stop using devices devil science has given us?

Maybe use prayers to get your posts here instead of being hypocrite and using computers while praising ignorance and evils of technology.
 
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A tree is known by it's fruit and science has lied about creation and origins in a very very very demonic way. So the origin sciences are directly demon inspired we can safely say! Really. Now you stop denying it. Even the things science CAN deal in are demonic in large measure such as the death dealing weapons and etc etc.
Lies are also known to be lies if there is no evidence of it. Your arguments are completely looney. Everything you just don't want to accept you auto shelf it the "demon/satan" bin and this is a massive problem with christianity and why it has been retaining an unintellectual reputation.

Defending demon science has to stop.
It's not "demon science". You need to stop making unintelligent classifications such as "demon science".

Jesus is the writer and Author...His Spirit. He not only has a concept, but created it all.
This has nothing to do with my argument about the Bible not being a science book.

Show us here and now then. Hahaha
You call it fossils.

Not Jesus. Demon science claims we came about another way. Be honest, face the light.
Yes we do have an ability to adapt and especially had an ability in the far past. Guess what adapted? The already created animals, and fish, and creeping things and man etc etc. NOT INTO man as demon science evolution says.

You really have no care to argue intelligently do you?
 
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Total waste of time. Anyone with a clear thinking mind can read Scripture and know for certain that Genesis was meant to be taken literally. Jesus said it was literal, too. But some people got an ego to invest in and lies to entertain. But nobody serious believes them.
where does Jesus say this?
 
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No it doesn't. There isn't any details as to how our biology and all that where engineered into each other, it only gives what we needed to know which was we were created. Genesis isn't to be taken literally either and no body should deny evolution especially with the evidence we have. Only an ignoramus who refuses to accept facts will say other wise.

The bible doesn't dispute nor cosign evolution because it's not a science book. It doesn't tell you the secrets and the mysteries of the cosmos because that isn't important to it's message. The more christians force it to be so, the more christianity loses it's followers because of cornering God's word to be proven invalid.
So, if I choose to believe the bible and not believe evolutionism I'm an ignoramus?
 
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We all do, there are aspects of the creation account that are conflicting, for example there are 2 creation accounts that don't mirror each other and other inconsistencies like light created before the sun.

The 2 creation acounts support each other. The second pretty much is a description of day 6.
I've already discussed the light before the sun with you. Your reply back was pretty much void of a response.

Everyone says some answer to it but they can't be reconciled in a literalist vacuum. For example I have heard it said the light was the glory of God as it is spoken of in the new Jerusalem in Rev. This is clever, and I like it, but it needs to be thought out better for a literalist. Does this mean the glory of God was created and it didn't pre-exist with God? Where did this light come from since light comes from a source this would conflict with the infallible nature and characteristics of God. Clearly, scripture shows a separation of light and darkness so where was the point of origin of this light? The moment it is materialized and takes a static position it is beneath the glory of God.

What was the light in Gen? The bible doesn't really say. Some suggest it could have been the creation of the angels who watched the creation. I also have no problem with it being the glory of God. Literally.

This foreshadowing to the New Jerusalem is great but literalist can't seem to grasp that there is a lot of metaphor in this stance and for it to fit a literal interpretation it would have to be a disembodied physical manifestation of light of the glory of God that would later be abrogated by the light of the sun (since we no longer see this light). You can't call it spiritual, metaphorical or reorganize the days to fit because these would all corrupt a literal interpretation.

God simply removed the light source...as we had the sun now.

Genesis pre-abraham is a lot different than Genesis post-abraham and I would say the early parts are more involved with laying foundation for a very paganized post-exodus Israel showing that God is the source of all things. The surface literal details are not the focus of these accounts and they are going to fail when we try and turn them into that.

What fails is the need for Christ, God in the flesh, as you have no reason for the fall of mankind.
 
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