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Where did I say that anything that happened in the New Testament was allegory? Either show me those words or stop making false accusations.
You said "Because Paul didn't know how the Earth and life on the Earth were actually created, so he incorrectly read an allegory as being literal."
You are saying that the inspired Paul made an error when he wrote the letter to Timothy? How many more errors did Paul make?
Did Luke error when he wrote "And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place," Acts 17:26
I never said that of you. What seems to be happening with the Theo-Evo sect is that when modern science disagree's with the bible...it must be an allegory. But when you point out the resurrection of Jesus Christ is scientifically impossible, that is medically demonstrated to be impossible they suddenly change their tune.
Did the ax float?
Neither was the Big Bang theory.
When did I say that man never fell? When did I say that we don't need Jesus? You are very good at making stuff up.
But Paul didn't make an error. What he wrote was correct according to his understanding.
The Theo-Evos are sliding down a slippery slope.
The only ones on a slippery slope are those who insist on living in the fantasyland of creationism.
Dude.....GOD!!! was the witness.How many human witnesses were there to the creation? Answer: none. Zero. Zip. Cero. Null. But there were witnesses who saw Jesus crucified, and who later saw Him alive again.
No.
It's used to attack the foundation of christianity. After all, how can the earth be created before the sun, moon and stars
When you turned the fall in the garden of Eden into a non-event. That's when.
Now, if the fall of Adam didn't actually happen as described in Genesis 3...they please explain what happened. When did mankind fall? Why did mankind fall? Lay it out there for us.
But you said "The science of vaccines and the Apollo program were not designed to do away with the foundation of Christianity." The Big Bang Theory was also not designed to "to do away with the foundation of Christianity." A great many Christians don't see the creation stories as the "foundation of Christianity." In fact a recent Gallop poll showed that only 38% of Christians believe in the Genesis creation stories.
It doesn't matter when it happened, it happened.
Reading Genesis in a way that differs from the Seventh Day Adventist's way is not to be "anti-Genesis", but to understand Genesis better.So, now we've reached the point where the anti-Genesis people need to go through the process of biblical gymnastics to make the creation of man as a non-event.
I am not sure what failure you are talking about, exactly.But, you still fail. Even if it was a vision Adams vision was of a real event.
Reading Genesis in a way that differs from the Seventh Day Adventist's way is not to be "anti-Genesis", but to understand Genesis better.
When will you realize that there are multiple possible ways of reading the text, not just the one you use?
I am not sure what failure you are talking about, exactly.
So rather than accept what Jesus said with child like faith, you suggest learning our way out of acceptance. OK. Keep learning till you utterly reject Scripture, and creation, and the flood and etc etc etc. Sorry, we have no so learned...Nothing secret, its public and online, its called "education". You only need to invest your time and energy to study it.
I do not plan to stop believing. Instead I will renounce nommienism and false believism.Exactly, so stop investing your time into the SDA/YEC way.
Ah, so the devil can have more of a hayday the further we get from history in making up anti creation hot air. OK.The more far away in time we are from the time of Jesus, not to say from the time of Moses, the more energy and time we must invest into learning what they taught and why.
The bible is heaven writing to man. Asking Confucius won't help.Its a simple logic. If you would like to study some ancient Chinese writings, you would need to learn about ancient China to understand what you read.
Many put a lot of effort into that, but not to some weird fanatical degree that they toss out the bible baby out with the pagan culture background bathwater. Learning linguistic or cultural nuances adds to the wonderment Scripture as log as we do not use the nuances to bludgeon the life out of God's word. We should use nuances to enrich Scripture, not to erase and replace Scripture!Why do some Christians think that regarding the Bible they do not need to put any effort into cultural background study and can simply read it in their (American) way.
The Hebrew meaning for dust is as followsIts not cryptic, its Mesopotamian. Its cryptic only for you, being a 21st century American.
And there is nothing to wait for, its pretty much it - mortality.
So no allegory games in the NT. OK. just curious, for someone that denies Eve was a real woman made from a man by God, do you think there was really darkness when Jesus died for what was it three hours? Do you think that there really was a guiding star at the time of His birth?Where did I say that anything in the New Testament was allegory? Please show me those words.
You are missing the point. You are looking for the lexical meaning of the word, not for its symbolic meaning.The Hebrew meaning for dust is as follows
dry earth, dust, powder, ashes, earth, ground, mortar, rubbish
Claiming it means mortality is ridiculous.
- dry or loose earth
- debris
- mortar
- ore
You do not agree with the fact that to understand a literature from a totally different era and culture, you need to know something about that era and culture?I do not plan to stop believing. Instead I will renounce nommienism and false believism.
Ah, so the devil can have more of a hayday the further we get from history in making up anti creation hot air. OK.
The bible is heaven writing to man. Asking Confucius won't help.
Many put a lot of effort into that, but not to some weird fanatical degree that they toss out the bible baby out with the pagan culture background bathwater. Learning linguistic or cultural nuances adds to the wonderment Scripture as log as we do not use the nuances to bludgeon the life out of God's word. We should use nuances to enrich Scripture, not to erase and replace Scripture!
Jesus never said that we should have child like faith, you are (again) misrepresenting both Scriptures and Jesus.So rather than accept what Jesus said with child like faith, you suggest learning our way out of acceptance. OK. Keep learning till you utterly reject Scripture, and creation, and the flood and etc etc etc. Sorry, we have no so learned...
Yes I would. God has many characteristics and names and titles. What is important to understand is that He is real. You on the other hand seem to be saying that God never really created Eve the way it says in Scripture. You are trying to use the fat that there are symbols in the bible to wave away the reality of anything you like or find inconvenient. Jesus is not just a symbol and neither was Adam or Eve or Jonah...etc etc. You are assassinating real people in the bible and rubbing them out. Why? I suggest to worship at the altar of man's wisdom (demon science)You are missing the point. You are looking for the lexical meaning of the word, not for its symbolic meaning.
You would never understand verses like "God is a fire, a rock or a lion" with your lexical attitude.
Hey dust can be a symbol as can a train (gospel train peace train etc) But that does not mean you can park on a railway track because trains are just symbols. If you have a handful of dust thrown in your face you might realize it is more than a symbol also.(1) Dust being the material out of which God is said to have formed man (Genesis 2:7), it became a symbol of man's frailty (Psalms 103:14, "For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust"; compare Genesis 18:27; Job 4:19, etc.), and of his mortality (Genesis 3:19, "Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return"; compare Job 34:15; Psalms 104:29; Ecclesiastes 3:20; 12:7, etc.) Hence, it is used figuratively for the grave (Psalms 22:15,29; 30:9; Daniel 12:2).
Dust Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
The Hebrew meaning for dust is as follows
dry earth, dust, powder, ashes, earth, ground, mortar, rubbish
Claiming it means mortality is ridiculous.
- dry or loose earth
- debris
- mortar
- ore
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