Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

[dad]

God formed one from the dirt and the other from the side of the one he made of the dirt.
Man is evolved dirt no?

No. God forming stuff is not stuff evolving.

 

[dad]

1 Cor 11:8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

Right so the movie was a deceitful crock, because we do have an account.

 

[dad]

Not biological, but theological.

The video meant biological. Bible is theological.

Maybe argue points from the movie. It was deceitful nonsense. So man has no account theologically or biologically? What foolishness.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

No. God forming stuff is not stuff evolving.

I agree, bad choice of a word there, I should have just said, "come of" the dirt and still is dirt rather than evolved from it.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

God formed one from the dirt and the other from the side of the one he made of the dirt.
Man is evolved dirt no?

Man is created of not evolved from after millions of billions of years, sorry.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Man is created of not evolved from after millions of billions of years, sorry.

Did you not read my last post?

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

Did you not read my last post?

Haha I was scrolling through and saw yours, replied, then read your last one haha my bad you’re fine

 

[ExTiff]

No. God forming stuff is not stuff evolving.

Why not? It seems a very good way for God to have designed a universe to operate. Something seems to be driving it but we seem to be doing our best to destroy it, by disobedience to God and failure to tend and keep it.

Evolution is not magic, and neither is creation. Why can't evolution be creative, controlled by God who is invisible, immortal, omnipotent and immutable. God has no hands, (anthropomorphism is a form of idolatry), and did not get 'His' spirit hands dirty, making a man from mud pies, somewhere on earth a long time ago. Why is it necessary for you to reduce the highly spiritual narrative of Genesis Chapters 2-5 to mundane and literal historical facts, and thereby totally fail to understand the message received from God by the author.

Do you read everything 'literally' and render every literary device used by every biblical author into strictly historical narrative? Do you then think "I know what that means now, so I don't have to study it any further to see what its saying about me and my relationship with God.

I hope you don't, because you will never understand the many parables and stories in both old and new testaments, and Revelation will be utterly incomprehensible to you.
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[Maria Billingsley]

Adam called woman woman because she was taken from man. How would old age evos who claim some belief of the bible explain this?

If you read the first part of Genesis both man and woman were made in the image of God. The rib represents the connection that men and women have to one another through marriage. Consider the rib a ring of commitment. Flesh of my flesh bone of my bone. God takes union between man and woman very serious that is why a rib was needed to solidify that bond. My take anyway...

 

[Cis.jd]

Adam called woman woman because she was taken from man. How would old age evos who claim some belief of the bible explain this?

first thing, you should never try to bridge the bible with science. The Bible is about God's relationship to man from beginning to end, any other details such as creation isn't and should not be taken as complete or exact on everything. It just tells you what you need to know - he designed the universe and created/designed life. Did he create and then we evolved? Sure.. does the bible effectively say this? No.. but we can understand that it is possible that God did create things in a gradual way.

Nevertheless, we shouldn't go "well genesis says this but what about science" because we are leading ourselves to the common christian trap which is misusing the Bible as a science book, which it's not.

 

[dad]

I agree, bad choice of a word there, I should have just said, "come of" the dirt and still is dirt rather than evolved from it.

In the same way a vase 'comes' from clay when a potter forms it.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

In the same way a vase 'comes' from clay when a potter forms it.

He is the potter so I would have to agree

 

[dad]

Why not?

Because all through the bible the fact that God formed us as a deliberate one time act is clear.

Ps 119:73 - Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments.

"In Genesis 1:27 we are told that God created man. The verb to create is the Hebrew bara. In Genesis 2:7 the Bible says God formed man (Hebrew asah). Since both of these verses speak of God creating man, we find that man was both created and formed. God created Adam by using pre-existing material. The word translated form is used in Scripture of the work of a potter forming his clay. "
How Was Adam Created?

It seems a very good way for God to have designed a universe to operate. Something seems to be driving it but we seem to be doing our best to destroy it, by disobedience to God and failure to tend and keep it.

Man can't destroy the universe, relax.

Evolution is not magic, and neither is creation. Why can't evolution be creative, controlled by God who is invisible, immortal, omnipotent and immutable.

Why can't a vase form itself over great time?

God has no hands, (anthropomorphism is a form of idolatry), and did not get 'His' spirit hands dirty, making a man from mud pies, somewhere on earth a long time ago.

He has holes in His hands as we speak actually.

Why is it necessary for you to reduce the highly spiritual narrative of Genesis Chapters 2-5 to mundane and literal historical facts, and thereby totally fail to understand the message received from God by the author.

Better to believe what God says, and the prophets and apostles and holy men of God through ages, than to ADD flights of godless fancy to Scripture I would think.

Do you read everything 'literally' and render every literary device used by every biblical author into strictly historical narrative? Do you then think "I know what that means now, so I don't have to study it any further to see what its saying about me and my relationship with God.

The creation of all things was not about you actually. We can include you, but it is not all about you or your supposed relationship with some god that can't create His way out of a paper bag.

I hope you don't, because you will never understand the many parables and stories in both old and new testaments, and Revelation will be utterly incomprehensible to you.
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To get deeper meanings we first need to get the actual meanings.

 

[dad]

He is the potter so I would have to agree

 

[dad]

If you read the first part of Genesis both man and woman were made in the image of God

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Woman came from a bone of man, regardless of whatever representations you think you can get in there! We DO know woman came from the man. We do not know for sure that any pet so called representation you can cook up is correct.

The rib represents the connection that men and women have to one another through marriage.

So? Did you think (if that were the case) that this then means there was no actual man or bone? The issue here is that Eve was made in an operation while Adam was still under, and that this does not jive with the evil theory of evilution.

Consider the rib a ring of commitment. Flesh of my flesh bone of my bone. God takes union between man and woman very serious that is why a rib was needed to solidify that bond. My take anyway...

Well, I mostly consider the bone to be what God used to manufacture/fabricate/create a woman one fine day.

 

[dad]

first thing, you should never try to bridge the bible with science.

Why would the word of the Almighty need some bridge? All that remains is to check how well 'science' did in it's origin explanations. We can grade them.

The Bible is about God's relationship to man from beginning to end,

Great. So the beginning is known.

any other details such as creation isn't and should not be taken as complete or exact on everything.

The details we are given should not be despised and rejected.

It just tells you what you need to know - he designed the universe and created/designed life.

Right, Eve was not spawned by some proto monkey or whatever, but deliberately and wonderfully made from a part of the already created man.

Did he create and then we evolved? Sure.. does the bible effectively say this? No.. but we can understand that it is possible that God did create things in a gradual way.

No. Just because evolving also happened (rapidly) to the already created kinds, evolution can't explain origins.

Nevertheless, we shouldn't go "well genesis says this but what about science" because we are leading ourselves to the common christian trap which is misusing the Bible as a science book, which it's not.

It is truth, which SCIENCE IS NOT!!!!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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Woman came from a bone of man, regardless of whatever representations you think you can get in there! We DO know woman came from the man. We do not know for sure that any pet so called representation you can cook up is correct.
So? Did you think (if that were the case) that this then means there was no actual man or bone? The issue here is that Eve was made in an operation while Adam was still under, and that this does not jive with the evil theory of evilution.



Well, I mostly consider the bone to be what God used to manufacture/fabricate/create a woman one fine day.

No need to be a bully.This is my personal take on the creation of man and woman. No harm in it at all.
Blessings

 

[Talihood]

what I want to know is if they had belly buttons.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

what I want to know is if they had belly buttons.

I highly doubt it, thats the attachment site of the umbilical cord, Adam wasn't a momma attached being but neither was Eve

 

[trophy33]

Maybe argue points from the movie. It was deceitful nonsense. So man has no account theologically or biologically? What foolishness.

There is no account of biological origin of humanity in the Bible. Ancient Mesopotamian people did not care.
They cared about purpose and about the meaning of their life. Genesis is a home story, not a house story.

The nonsense you are getting is because you read their texts as written in the 21st scientific century, pushing your thinking and meanings where it does not belong to.