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Featured Evangelical Theology Confusion

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by VhiaLemon, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    The concepts of those of the will of man trying to understand rather than live an alien concept, the will of God. As a result trying to make God's will fit the human mold, rather than change to fit His.
     
  2. dms1972

    dms1972 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Did Jesus use theology?

    He used parables a lot of the time I believe. That said it doesn't seem to me a good idea to lump all theology together as all the same. Theology arose to combat erronenous teachings.

    Also can there not be a theology of the Kingdom of God - for instance what about writers like George Eldon Ladd, Dallas Willard, and others... what are they doing when they write about the Kingdom of God? What about Augustine's City of God? Are these not theology?
     
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  3. timothyu

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    And thus a conflict over whose theology would win out while others simply lived according to God's will as commanded, not man's.
     
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  4. Johnny4ChristJesus

    Johnny4ChristJesus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No need. I know what you think. That's why you took a pot-shot at protestants. There is another current EO thread questioning when Rome and if Rome will be accepted into what they believe is the True Church. That game never ends, if you believe that one body contains the True Church. I dont.
     
  5. timothyu

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    Board members often take control of a business away from it's founder.
     
  6. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    It is really sad. But Jesus and his closest followers and John the Baptist and Saul/Paul--none got a NT seminary degree, so you are in good company!
     
  7. dms1972

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    Just to be clear then, are you saying all theology only an expression of man's will and thoughts? Not saying I totally disagree, as you might have a point in regard to some theologies.
     
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  8. dms1972

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    It was a completely different way of learning for the disciples walking around the countryside with Jesus, listening to him teach and seeing him cast out unclean spirits, and heal the sick, then being sent out to do the same.
     
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  9. timothyu

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    I believe they said to spread their Good News of the Kingdom, not establish hierarchical institutions built upon the wisdom of man's opinion.

    Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
     
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  10. timothyu

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    I guess the simplest way to clear it is for me to say theology is based either from the viewpoint of the will of man or the viewpoint of the will of God. Both exist within Christianity as Christianity has not only served the will of God, but more so the traditional will of man which existed prior.
     
  11. PloverWing

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    Do you actually know what I think? Did you look at my denominational affiliation in my profile?

    I didn't take a pot-shot at Protestants. I took a pot-shot at the notion of arguing for the bazillionth time about which church (if any) is the one True Church, in a thread that's supposed to be about helping a student get through her theology coursework.
     
  12. timothyu

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    As which church is based upon theology, it shows it's worth as compared to scripture.
     
  13. dms1972

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    I agree theology may be man-centred, or God centred.

    So which theologies, in your view are based in and serve the will of God?
     
  14. twin1954

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    The Kingdom of God is not a physical kingdom but a spiritual one. Does anyone believe that God is really concerned with that which is destined to be destroyed? The Lord Jesus used physical things to illustrate spiritual realities.

    The Lord told Pilate that His kingdom was not of this world.

    John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
     
  15. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    There is no visible church that is "the True Church". There are just many who think they are. Though you will hear people tell you theirs is. That doesn't make them right.
     
  16. timothyu

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    Those of the only gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom, which being straightforward in scripture, really need no interpretation of man. Actually it has been man's theology and doctrines that have kept the Gospel of the Kingdom safely hidden in plain sight for almost 2000 years while it focusses on other things..
     
  17. timothyu

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    A physical kingdom for those of the spirit, regardless of what dimension it takes. But it also exists now in those who are of the will of God, having rejected the will of man.
    The Kingdom (position of rule) of God is also God's governance, not man's governance.

    How could Jesus' Kingdom be of this world at the time? It could not. One, this world was built upon the will and rule of man (not God) and has not yet been destroyed, and two the time of the end of days at the time of His crucifixion was not yet come.
     
  18. timothyu

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    Agreed. God will confound denominations just as He did speech for the same reason.
     
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  19. PloverWing

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    I'd be curious to hear more about your experience of Bible college (and to hear more from @VhiaLemon , if you're still around). I would expect to see the elements you've mentioned at a mainline-to-liberal place like Yale or Harvard, and to a lesser degree at an Evangelical college or seminary, but my image of Bible colleges was that they were much more conservative than that, not bringing in modern theology or higher criticism. Is my image of Bible colleges wrong? What was the curriculum like at your school?
     
  20. mark kennedy

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    Much of it was very good, some of the expositional studies were well crafted and the emphasis was on Pastoral ministry. Many of the Nazarene Bible colleges have turned into liberal arts programs, same could be said of mainstream Wesleyan colleges and seminaries. My Old Testament studies were fascinating, I learned a ton of things as a result of studies in the historical books and eight century prophets. The Nazarenes are tender hearted and sincere, I never got a lot of flack for being Calvinist. I just couldn't stand the Liberal theology that had made it's way into the curriculum, I started feeling claustrophobic and suffocated. I never took the final for Acts, which was the class that set me off. I never said anything to them because I didn't have the heart, I have no desire to be divisive or contentious.

    It's distressing for me to see so many ministers influenced by liberal theology and especially disturbing to see so many evangelicals on the Trump bandwagon. It's awkward to talk to them out in the world.

    I can get more into the Biblical studies I did sometime, maybe even here if we get that far. I've just been appalled at the influence of liberal theology and seriously thought of converting to Catholicism over it, only to see Pope Francis rise to be the leader of the Roman Catholic church and clearly, he is as liberal a Pope was I have ever seen.

    Grace and peace,
    Mark
     
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