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[Adventist Dissident]

What do you mean, why doesn't it make sense the 2300 is a reference to how long the little horn power tramples the sanctuary. it is set right after 2300 evening and mornings. That means that it has to be trampled under until it is set right. So if you start at 457 BC then you have to use that as the beginning point of the 2300 and that must be brought about by the little horn at that time.

this is new to me. I've talked to Tall73 and sophia7 about the IJ, but this point is still kinda fuzzy. so go slow. you are sayinng that the context tell us that the trampling starts at the beginning of the 2300 days hum, may be you need to post the actual text so we can look at it.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I already did a couple posts back, but you know it already it was drummed into every Adventists head "unto twenty-three hundred days then shall the Sanctuary be cleansed".

I must admit that the indoctrination is so complete that this very obvious position I laid out above did not even occur to me till last year during the IJ lesson study. Even though I knew the subject was the little horn. If the 2300 has a beginning date (which I don't think is really ever given) and we use 457 BC because that is a good choice for the beginning of the 70 7's of Daniel 9 and pretend that it is meant to be cut off from the 2300. But if we are going to do that then the little horn trampling the sanctuary whatever sanctuary you want to assume also began in 457 BC. If it was the literal temple then at that time there was no temple and if it was the ministry of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary it had to commence 4 centuries before Jesus' incarnation and earthly ministry. If it refers to the establishment of the SDA church then from 457 BC till 1844 there was no true Christian believers and that included the Apostles. And of course the actual SDA church did not begin till about 20 years after 1844 so even the 2300 in that case is not exact. It just does not work any way you look at it.

Daniel 8: 5 to end: As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn between his eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without touching the ground. 6 He came toward the two-horned ram I had seen standing beside the canal and charged at him in great rage. 7 I saw him attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering his two horns. The ram was powerless to stand against him; the goat knocked him to the ground and trampled on him, and none could rescue the ram from his power. 8 The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought low. 12 Because of rebellion, the host of the saints [a] and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?"
14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
The Interpretation of the Vision

15 While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice from the Ulai calling, "Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision."
17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end."
18 While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. Then he touched me and raised me to my feet.
19 He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. [b] 20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between his eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
23 "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.
26 "The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future."
27 I, Daniel, was exhausted and lay ill for several days. Then I got up and went about the king's business. I was appalled by the vision; it was beyond understanding.

 

[freeindeed2]

I didn't say that you've never done it. But you haven't been doing it lately.

LOL! OK, you two made me laugh. This sounds like my wife and me.

 

[Sophia7]

LOL! OK, you two made me laugh. This sounds like my wife and me.

I'm glad we could entertain you.

 

[NightEternal]

One Evangelical Adventist at your service!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

One Evangelical Adventist at your service!

welcome